Monday, December 21, 2009

Read The Bill: H.R. 4298 -

Read The Bill: H.R. 4298 -


This Act may be cited as the ‘Gun Trafficking Prevention Act of 2009’.


Congress finds and declares that--

(1) in the United States, the black market is the source for guns used in more than 90 percent of gun crimes;

(2) nearly 90 percent of the guns used in gun crimes in New York City, New York come from other States;

Wednesday, December 16, 2009

dinitrotoluene (DNT) & ammunition

Another hidden contaminate and this one is in ammunition. I wonder ho that will effect all those faux furs garmets?~ BPB

December 9, 2009

Thousands of chemicals can contaminate drinking water and ground water, but less than 100 are regularly tracked in drinking water, and only a few hundred are sporadically checked in ground or surface water. Some of the thousands of potential contaminants are poorly tracked even though they are known to be significantly toxic and sometimes occur at very high concentrations in waters of concern.

One of these is dinitrotoluene (DNT), a synthetic compound that is used primarily to make polyurethane products found in goods such as bedding and furniture, as well as in explosives, ammunition, dyes, and air bags.

Toxicity studies in people and animals have found that DNT is a known animal carcinogen, and can damage the kidneys and the cardiovascular, neurological, gastrointestinal, and reproductive systems.

There are six known forms, or isomers, of DNT: 2,4-DNT and 2,6-DNT, which make up more than 90% of the DNT used, and 2,3-DNT, 2,5-DNT, 3,4-DNT, and 3,5-DNT. The best available health and tracking data are for 2,4-DNT and 2,6-DNT, but limited data suggests to many public health officials that the other four isomers pose a similar toxicological threat. In the rankings of toxicity developed for the Superfund program, 2,4-DNT is ranked 94th out of 275 substances listed, and 2,6-DNT is ranked 261st.

2007 CERCLA (Superfund) Priority List of Hazardous Substances.
Health and environmental information.
Addendum to toxicological information, published October 2009 by the CDC's Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (includes numerous pieces of new and updated information related to issues such as toxicity, genetic variations in vulnerability, and environmental fate. Source: Dr. Obaid Faroon, ATSDR Division of Toxicology and Environmental Medicine).

For a number of years, EPA considered setting a standard for DNT, and requiring that it be monitored in drinking water. However, in July 2008 the Bush administration decided that such steps weren't warranted, after concluding that the chemical didn't pose a significant, widespread threat.

EPA Regulatory Determinations for Priority Contaminants on the Second Drinking Water Contaminant Candidate List.
However, hotspots are known to occur.

Residents around the Badger Army Ammunition Plant in Baraboo, WI, have been pushing for several years to have the state of Wisconsin develop a standard, after DNT was found in high concentrations in many drinking water and monitoring wells in and around the facility. The Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources is recommending a standard for all isomers combined of 0.05 ppb. This is far lower than the concentrations that have been found in the wells, where peak concentrations of just one of the isomers or another have been several or many orders of magnitude higher than the proposed combined standard, ranging from 1.5 to 2,200 ppb.

State of Wisconsin, technical documents: drinking water and DNT; groundwater enforcement standards and preventive action limits for multiple substances.
The US Army told the state in 2007 that setting a standard that combined all isomers was inappropriate, given the evidence available at the time. The Army's stance was based on DNT's carcinogenic potential, and didn't address other health concerns. The Army continues to monitor the Wisconsin process.

U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine, Aug. 14, 2007, letter; media contact, Lyn Kukral.
The advocacy group Citizens for Safe Water Around Badger, which has been pushing the state to take protective actions, is generally supportive of the state's proposed standard. CSWAB: Laura Olah, 608-643-3124; 2007 petition.
Public hearings will be held in Madison (Dec. 11, 2009), Baraboo (Dec. 14), Eau Claire (Dec. 15), Stevens Point (Dec. 15), and Oshkosh (Dec. 16), and the public comment period will close Dec. 30, 2009. After that, the state will consider comments received and could create a proposed rule, after which the legislature might approve a standard some time in 2010 or 2011.

No other states have formally contacted the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources, says spokesman Mike Lemcke, 608-266-2104, but some observers speculate that a number of states will be watching what happens in Wisconsin as they consider setting their own standard.

Nationwide monitoring for DNT is limited, but there are many known occurrences in and around military sites, industrial settings, and other areas.

EPA has identified at least 76 contaminated sites in 26 states. In the accompanying spreadsheet provided by the agency, sites highlighted in yellow have surface water or ground water contamination. The others have contamination in soils or other media.

EPA spreadsheet; media contact is Enesta Jones, 202-564-7873.
EPA technical information.
2,4-DNT is a high production volume (HPV) chemical, meaning that it is annually made or imported into the US in quantities exceeding 1 million pounds. However, EPA has not included it in its HPV Challenge Program, which is an effort to have industry voluntarily provide toxicity data, because it has been included in the Screening Information Data Set program operated under the auspices of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

CDC's Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) says that, to the best of its knowledge, it's appropriate to assume there are at least 122 Superfund sites contaminated to some extent with DNT. However, note on the spreadsheet provided by ATSDR that is linked to below that some of these sites are at the same facility, but are separated by the DNT isomer identified, possibly reducing the total number of DNT-contaminated Superfund facilities. On the other hand, there could easily be more, since not all Superfund sites have been tested for DNT (nor have many other known hazardous sites). Adding to this difficulty, several components of ATSDR's site mapping and data systems are broken at the moment, so it can't currently identify all of the Superfund sites. The ones it can identify tend to be very similar to those identified by EPA, but note that the Badger site in WI is on the ATSDR list, but not the EPA list, confirming discrepancies in available information.

ATSDR spreadsheet; ATSDR media contact number is 770-488-0700; Lisa Briseno is one contact, though others should also be able to help.
Along with these sites, CSWAB has reviewed various data bases and says DNT contamination also occurs in the following sites (listed by EPA Region), some of which are different from those identified in the EPA and ATSDR spreadsheets:

Region I: Camp Edwards Study Area
Region II: Vieques, Puerto Rico (DNTs are potential contaminants of concern; investigations are still pending)
Region III: Radford Army Ammunition Plant, Fort Belvoir (Engineering Proving Ground site)
Region IV: Alabama Army Ammunition Plant. Milan Army Ammunition Plant, Volunteer Army Ammunition Plant
Region V: Badger Army Ammunition Plant, Savanna Army Ammunition Plant, Joliet Arsenal, Ravenna Army Ammunition Plant, Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant
Region VI: Fort Wingate Army Depot, Louisiana Army Ammunition Plant, Longhorn Army Ammunition Plant
Region VII: Iowa Army Ammunition Plant, Nebraska Ordnance Plant, Sunflower Army Ammunition Plant, Weldon Spring Ordnance Works
Region VIII: Pueblo Army Depot
Region IX: Hawthorne Army Depot
Region X: Umatilla Army Depot
The US Geological Survey has conducted some testing for DNT, and found 2,4-DNT in 1.2% of about 2,000 samples, and 2,6-DNT in 2.5% of the samples. In streambed sediments, 2,4-DNT was in 0.3% of 900 samples, and 2,6-DNT was in 1.2% of 500 samples. To find out more about the findings, and sample locations, contact Donna Myers, 571-643-3030. USGS did not include DNT in its recently-completed nationwide testing of 219 contaminants in drinking water wells.

Additional environmental sources are the known manufacturing sites in eight states (AR, IA, IN, KY, LA, NY, OH, VA), which together acknowledged 14,937 pounds of releases and 595,531 pounds of waste in 2007.

Toxics Release Inventory data, 2007, 2,4-DNT.
TRI data, 2007, 2,6-DNT.
Pulling together all these sources of information, and tracking down other sources such as state-generated data, may provide a more complete picture of the DNT threat to health and the environment than is currently known to federal, state, and local officials.

source sej news

Wednesday, December 9, 2009

Sportsmen get their day in Albany next month

SCOPE (Shooters Committee for Political Education), the state's most activepro-gun group, is arranging for bus transportation to and from the event withpickup locations from Buffalo to Syracuse and eventually other venues."

December 2, 2009

Sportsmen get their day in Albany next month

Commentary by Dave Henderson

Spokesmen for anti-gun and anti-hunting factions are typically well-educated,well-spoken, well-dressed public relations professionals speaking at awell-organized press conference.A spokesmen for shooters or hunters is typically some poor guy on his day offcoming out of the woods when a microphone is thrust in his face.The anti-gun, anti-hunting element in this society is united, well financed andfocused.

We, on the other hand, are divided into many factions with differingagendas.Well, New York hunters and gun owners finally have a united front steppingforward for them in Albany --thanks largely to the very politicians who form andpass judgment on legislation.While the Assembly's Republican minority may not be the most influential factionin Albany, it has our backs, so to speak.

It is sponsoring a Sportsmen andOutdoor Recreation Legislative Awareness Day in Albany on Jan. 12.No less than Wayne LaPierre, the Executive Vice President of the NRA, will bethe guest speaker, as will be Safari Club International President Dr. LarryRudolph and other notables. The lobby of the Legislative Office Building willcontain displays.

Now the Republicans need our support. We need to show up in impressive numbersto make other legislators take notice.SCOPE (Shooters Committee for Political Education), the state's most activepro-gun group, is arranging for bus transportation to and from the event withpickup locations from Buffalo to Syracuse and eventually other venues.Departure times will be very early in the morning of the event with return tothe pickup location in the early evening. The bus ride will be $25 per person.Reservations are required.

For reservations and other information call SCOPE President Ken Mathison at(585) 663-8741 or e-mail

Monday, December 7, 2009

Vintage magazines Gun World and American Rifleman

Before I offer these on Gunbroker you guys can have a shot at them 1st. A portion of the sales proceeds will go to SCOPE's PAC or the Nassau cty suit.
These are full years normally 12 magazines featuring Robert Stack and Steve McQueen and usually another actor. Some feature real firearms advice not all that black OPS stuff we see now days.

Flea-bay has listings for $3.99 and $4.99 for shipping or a $9.00 total for 1 magazine.
Magazines are in great shape, some handling marks or the occassional crib note. Stored in acid free magazine boxes. Price which includes shipping is $75.00 per year. Examples:
I also have a large collection of American Rifleman dating from 1938 some double years and all the WW2 years set in the leather magazine covers and in acid free boxes.
I've carried and cared for these magazines for well over some 30+ yrs. and will not be taking them with me when I retire. POR for the whole set , which I'll have to totsl up or single years.
Will let go single months if I have doubles.

Again a portion of the proceeds will go to SCOPE.
Price varies according to year.

Contact me off forum at my usualy address's.
All magazines will be listed on GB after the holiday.
As a tickler print this one out and the next time some legiscritter gripes about violent crime being out of control ask them just exactly what new law was suppose to work.
Thanks Bill

Sunday, December 6, 2009

Port Byron guys build their own muzzleloaders


By Garrick Otero Contributing writer
Lee Bidwell is proud of his guns, no matter how “ugly” they look.
Others might have nicer-looking black powder firearms, he said, but they didn’t build them nearly from scratch like Bidwell has done in his garage. He often uses odd materials and leftover parts from other guns, not to mention wood for the stocks taken from nearby trees.

Wednesday, December 2, 2009

CO & CO2 people are confused

Well, I read a note where if you lock yourself in the garage with the car running life will flourish from all the CO2. Here is the orginal text:

"try locking yourself in a garage with your car on. absorb more Co2: it will help your life flourish".

Just a heads up here folks don't do that~

Here are the definitions of CO and CO2

You'd not live long breathing Carbon monoxide (CO)

Carbon monoxide (CO) is a deadly, colorless, odorless, poisonous gas. It is produced by the incomplete burning of various fuels, including coal, wood, charcoal, oil, kerosene, propane, and natural gas. Products and equipment powered by internal combustion engine-powered equipment such as portable generators, cars, lawn mowers, and power washers also produce CO....

CO2 carbon dioxide,

CO2, carbonic acid gas (a heavy odorless colorless gas formed during respiration and by the decomposition of organic substances; absorbed from the air by plants in photosynthesis)

10 mins to Expose The Global Warming Scam

Saturday, November 28, 2009

Steven McQueen in Gun World Magazine

I have 6 years of this magazine sold a few over the years figured you'd all like to see part of one set.

Looking for a good hand made fowler?

Here is one of a kind in 12 ga flint lock Colrain barrel with removable choke. It was built by Tom Melkioty about 3 years ago. Designed for turkey hunting, features a wooden sliding patchbox, Chambers delux lock & a hand carved walnut stock. I was with Tom when we picked out the wood.

Price $1,200.00
Email me for details
Regards, BlackPowderBill

Saturday, November 21, 2009

2009 as “first year of global governance”

New EU President Rompuy announces 2009 as “first year of global governance”

“2009 is also the first year of global governance, with the establishment of the G20 in the middle of the financial crisis. The climate conference in Copenhagen is another step towards the global management of our planet.” end quote
Found a picture to go along with global government

Sunday, November 15, 2009

Black Powder Calculations

So I read on the Internet forums and while I was at the range today helping a guy sight in and shooting the bull I remembered this formula.
To understand powder and ammo you have to read a lot of old inventions. Pick yourself some old reloading manuals say at least 50 yrs old. These will help you understand ballistics and reloading better then all the new gizmo's offered today.

You can use a formula to calculate the maximum amount of powder your barrel can burn.
It is 11.5 ( grains) per square inch of barrel bore.
To run the calculation, take the bore diameter, say .50, for a 50 cal.rifle, then divide that number by 2 to get the radius.

.50 divided by 2= .25Square the radius,

.25 x .25 = .0625Now multiply that times Pi, or 3.1416,0625 x 3.1416 = .19635.

Multiply this times 11.5 grains per cubic inch:.19635 x 11.5 = 2.258

If your barrel is 36 inches long, multiple the length of the barrel - 36inches -

times the number above. 36 x 2.258 = 81.3 grains approx. ( 81.288).

Friday, November 6, 2009

Judith Enck EPA Region 2 Administrator

Subject: Judith Enck EPA Region 2 Administrator

If you do not know what this means, Judith Enck, who sought to shut down the
Reynolds Pheasant Farm, will now be Ed Guster's boss. Ed Guster is the
administrator managing the EPA's Shooting Range Best Management Practices
certification program.

Judith Enck headed to EPA
November 5, 2009 at 4:03 pm by Casey Seiler

Another second floor figure is moving on: Judith Enck, who serves as Gov.
Paterson’s deputy secretary for the environment, is headed to the
Environmental Protection Agency to serve as administrator for Region 2,
which includes New Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands
and seven Tribal Nations — not a bad smorgasbord of ecosystems to have to
travel among.

The release from EPA:

Today, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Lisa P. Jackson
announced President Barack Obama’s selection of Judith Enck to be the Agency’s
Regional Administrator for EPA’s region 2. This region encompasses New
Jersey, New York, Puerto Rico, the US Virgin Islands and seven Tribal

“I look forward to working closely with Judith Enck on the range of urgent
environmental issues we face, in region 2 and across the nation,” said EPA
Administrator Lisa P. Jackson. “At this moment of great challenge and even
greater opportunity, I’m thrilled that Judith will be part of our leadership
team at EPA. She will certainly play an instrumental role in our Agency’s
mission to protect our health and the environment.”

Regional Administrators for the EPA are responsible for managing the
Agency’s regional activities. They promote state and local environmental
protection efforts and serve as a liaison to state and local government
officials. EPA’s Regional Administrators will be tasked with making sure
that EPA’s efforts to address the environmental crises of today are rooted
in three fundamental values: science-based policies and programs, adherence
to the rule of law, and transparency.

Judith Enck has close to 30 years of experience in the environmental
field. Enck has served as the Deputy Secretary for the Environment in New
York State since 2007. Prior to that, she worked for eight years as a policy
advisor to the Attorney General of New York, for five years as the Executive
Director of Environmental Advocates of New York, and as a Senior
Environmental Associate with the New York Public Interest Research Group.
She also serves on a number of boards in New York, including the New York
State Energy Board and the New York State Superfund Management Board. Enck,
who received her bachelor’s degree from the College of Saint Rose, lives in
Poestenkill, New York.

Thursday, November 5, 2009

Elections or Buying an Empire

Quote: And Republican New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, despite spending close to $100 million, had a narrow re-election victory. ###

What really disgusts me is the amount of money spent by the candidates. 100 million dollars to buy an empire.
My God, what I could do with $100,000,000.00!

According to the USDA ~Economic Information Bulletin No. (EIB-23) 115 pp, March 2007
Average yearly expenditures on food in U.S. urban households increased between 2003 and 2004. Over the period, annual per capita spending on food rose from $2,035 to $2,207. The 2004 average comprises $1,347 spent on food consumed at home and $860 spent on food consumed away from home.

If my figures are correct 1m / 2k = 50,000 monthly food bills. Drop out the $860.00 spent away from home and it equals just fewer than 88,000.

This is corruption on a gross scale equal to the corporate bailouts.

Monday, November 2, 2009

Muzzleloaders say thank you

I’m a past secretary for the New York State Muzzleloaders
Assoc. and was part of the Mountain Man Primitive
Encampment at Moose River Plains Wilderness area Columbus
Day weekend.
This was our eighteenth year camping there and
we all take the weather in stride. All in all we had a great time.
To thank a few: Ole Barn for a meal that held up to its reputation,
Murdocks for supplying our bathrooms, and John Levi
for our firewood. Hauling Blue Boys and fire wood five miles
back is a feat in itself, and greatly appreciated. Visits from
Rangers Bruce and Jake are something we’ve come to look forward
Thanks for the help at the hardware store to repair a broken
brake line and the grocery store for the last minute cold medicine.
Also for those of us (me) who are not so “primitive,”
thanks to Deer Meadows Motel for their usual great hospitality.
Last but not least, thanks to all the people that braved the cold
to come on visitors day to share a few stories with us. Some of
you have been coming for years and it’s great to see old friends.
Hope to see you next year!

Fulton, N.Y.

Monday, October 26, 2009

Firearms registered on income tax forms is Bogus

Ok people stop sending me the same BS we've been reading about all year.
I know the NRA came out with an opinion and for the lack of enthusiasm on my part I'll post this from snopes.
Along with my latest reply to a person who wanted me to pass this on to WCSC's members.

Nope I'll not pass this on~ this has been circulating all year in one form or another.

The first part is usually the story or rumor and the last part either backs it up or dismisses it. In this case, neither has any hope of passing.

#-1 A pending Senate bill would require that all handgun owners list their guns on their federal income tax returns. False!

#-2 A bill before Congress would prohibit ownership of handguns by those who have not obtained firearm licenses. True! However no one supports it!

Ontario,NY. 14519

Crossbows again, NY outdoor writers miss the mark!

This AM I opened another forwarded email that contained the latest article by Dick Nelson, which is featured here Bowhunters Take To The Trees

This is the second article I've seen from Dick since the NYB and NYSMLA sent out our joint proposal. In each article not once was the crossbow bill mentioned. To be fair Dick is not alone the biggest proponent of crossbows in NY never mentioned the bill in his latest article either. We all read about lots of action this past spring but it all revolved around the disabled being able to use a crossbow, which I feel is discriminatory. The crossbow should be legal for all NY'ers to use if they so desire.

So here is my comment left on Nelson's comment section.###

Dick, You and others can talk about crossbows in every article you write and you're not going to get anywhere by talking about what should be unless you let people know about the bills. Yea I know that is what the sportsmen’s groups are supposed to be doing. I’ve let people know about Bill A00923 which is discriminatory & contains more than the crossbow. So my question is what is the hold up on the NY outdoors writers end?
Not once, that I've seen in the last 8 weeks has any outdoor writer mentioned the ill written, discriminatory bill that has been rotting away in the NY house due to lack of support. This is the very same thing I use to talk about a President of the Wayne County Federation. All the talk was in meetings and 30 minutes out the door it was a new day till the following meeting.
Look fellow NY sportsmen, with all the emails you receive daily, you know what I’m talking about. All those useless jokes and political bull have any of you opened a letter of support for the crossbow bill. I mean a “genuine bonified” letter for support addressed to a NY Senator, Legislator or the DEC’s Commissioner? Better yet how about a “genuine bonified” press release published in one of the hundreds of newspapers published daily in NY?
I know I haven’t. So ah what gives NY?
BILL NO A00923 SAME AS No same asSPONSOR DelMonteCOSPNSR GordonMLTSPNSR Crouch, Giglio Amd SS11-0307, 11-0901, 11-0903, 11-0905, 11-0701, 11-1103, 11-0931 & 11-1101,rpld & add S11-0901 sub 16, En Con L Makes provisions relating to migratory birds, game birds, turtles, longbows, crossbows and cable restraints; open season and bag limits for certain wild game.

Bill Brookover
President NYSMLA
Director SCOPE
Director/Past President
Past officer & President Wayne County Federation
& more

New Proposal Favors Bowhunters Published: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT

Sunday, October 25, 2009

Interview with Ken Mathison of SCOPE

Interview with Ken Mathison of SCOPE ( Shooters Committee on Political Education in New York State). Ken talks about infringement on rights, anti gun lobby, NY City control of the state, & state ... 3 parts on youtube

Friday, October 16, 2009

ADK Safari club signs on NYB/NYSMLA proposal

On Thu, 10/15/09, George Franke wrote:

Subject: To: "Gary Socola NYB",
Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 11:30 PM

I am please to tell you both that I brought your proposals to our membership at tonights meeting and the membership of the Adirondack-Catskill Chapter of Safari Club International are happy to be behind you guys and support your deer season changes proposal. You're welcome to use my name and ACSCI in your lobbying efforts, as well, please let me know what further we can do at ACSCI to help get these season changes passed.

George Franke Legislative Director, Adirondack-Catskill SCI
Endowment Life Member, National Rifle Assn.Life Member, BASS & NY Bowhunters, Inc.Supporting Member, NYS Outdoor Writers Assn.and a slew of other things...

Tuesday, October 13, 2009

NYSMLA letter to the DEC

I want you all to notice the date at the end of this list & to all you NY outdoor writers can ya tell me why your readers are not seeing my Primitive definition? I have had several people call me and ask if it's only for flintlocks.


Here we go with our compiled list. Many of us are multi-season hunters so we have many varied interest in the deer herd future.

- First and foremost would be an early southern zone muzzleloader season. We would welcome any opportunity in "normal" weather. This could be an early antlerless (use your DMP permit)only, or full blown use of your ML tag. Whether or not it is before an archery season or in between the archery and regular season, any new opportunity would be welcomed. Many have objected to the use of in-lines for an early season and we would not be against a "primitive" (sidelock) designation for the early season and any ML for a late season.

- Next would be legalization of crossbows. Legalize it and then worry about where it fits. There can be many places to utilize the Xbow. If not in the early season, allow it during the regular season in the archery only areas, allow it during the regular season in all areas where guns are legal, allow it in the ML season early or late, allow it in the late archery season. WE should not regulate for only the old or handicapped. As long as it is lethal and can take the animal with the same impact as the current archery equipment or gun, who cares? we need more hunters in the field. To limit crossbow use to older or handicapped people would be like restricting scopes on guns to people with eye problems. BPB comment~(naturally a good set of glasses will correct an eye problem, not a scope)

- Big topic is AR - we are firmly against AR's on public land. Private lands people can do what they want but with decreasing access it is a hardship on those that are not privileged to own land or belong to a big group that leases lands. This is statewide -

- Farmers need to give increased access to hunt their land. This will cut down on nuisance permits provided hunters can take more deer during hunting season. If you close your land to hunters - no nuisance permits!
The state can increase DMP's,but if you can not find land to hunt on it does no good.

-Suggestion has also been for an extra primitive week in January
If the take is not close to the projected numbers then extend that another 3 or 4 days till the numbers are obtained. Its the only way the state will be able to reduce the herd in high number areas.Fall hunting may be traditional, but to control the herd they will have to break tradition to do it.

- Since the DECALS implementation it is possible to take more bucks in a season. With the increased emphasis on growing older bucks, cut down on the buck harvest with a "ONE Buck" or "earn a buck system". Your one buck tag to use in your season of choice, the others must be antlerless where regulations allow. North and south can be separate regulations or the same.

- Allow consignment of regular license like the DMP's can be signed over now. It happens now all the time and if we are below harvest estimates wouldn't this help? This kinda of contradicts the "One Buck" approach but different people have different perspectives.

- Have a separate license for the "North"and "South" seasons. Many people who hunt the north and get "lucky" get locked out of the southern zone unless they have DMP. This would also be added revenue as it would not be "free".

Hope this provides you with some insight on the issues we have collected from our members.
As always, call or write if you have any questions or would like to discuss.

Thanks for the opportunity to input.....

Eric "Griz" Bratt
NYS Muzzleloaders Assoc
NYS Conservation Council - Big Game Committee
In a message dated 8/18/2009 11:27:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes:

So NY sportsmen where is your associations proposal?

Thursday, October 8, 2009

Air guns for small game DEC regulation change

Part 180, Section 3 - Definition of Firearms
This proposed rulemaking is necessary to allow pellet rifles for some hunting.
Text of Proposed Regulation - Underlines contained in the text of the express terms denote new material. Brackets [ ] indicate material to be deleted.
Regulatory Impact Statement
How to Comment on Proposed Fish, Wildlife and Marine Resources Regulations
Comments will be accepted from September 16, 2009 through November 2, 2009.
Send comments to:Gordon R. BatchellerNYSDEC625 BroadwayAlbany, NY 12233-4754
or e-mail comments to: Proposed Rulemaking Part 180, Section 3 - Definition of Firearms
Part 180, Section 3 - Definition of Firearms - Express Terms
Express Terms
Section 180.3 of 6 NYCRR is amended as follows:
Section 180.3. Definition and use of firearms.
For the purposes of the Fish and Wildlife Law and this Title:
Subdivision (a) of 6 NYCRR section 180.3 is repealed and a new subdivision (a) of 6 NYCRR section 180.3 added:
(a) The terms "firearm" and "gun" shall mean:
(1) any rifle, pistol, revolver or shotgun which by force of gunpowder expels a missile or projectile capable of killing, wounding or otherwise inflicting physical damage upon fish, wildlife or other animals.

(2) any air-powered rifle or pistol with a rifled barrel, using ammunition no smaller than .17 caliber, and capable of producing projectile velocities of not less than 800 feet per second. For the purposes of the Fish and Wildlife Law, an air-powered rifle or pistol meeting the above specifications shall be considered a gun, and may be used to take protected wildlife whenever such protected wildlife may legally be taken with a rimfire rifle.

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Second Amendment Radio Show

2nd Amendment Radio Show This show streams in weekly and features SCOPE's Ken Mathison

note: Blogging slow down,I've been very busy lately with the NYB & NYSMLA Joint deer season proposal.
A little heads up here folks, the crossbow in NOT yet a legal hunting implement. SO stop asking why it was not in our proposal.


Moose River Primitive vous 18th annual

Here is a link to a few pictures of our event
Butch Lewis Photography~Moose River Vous

Starts tomorrow October 9, 2009

Sunday, September 27, 2009

Kuyahoora Outdoors Radio

For those interested:
"Our little "Kuyahoora Outdoors" radio program will return this Tuesday, Sept. 29th, at 7pm (with repeats, as always, on Thursdays at 7pm, and Saturdays at 7am) with brand-new weekly programs through the end of the year (All times EDT). And as always, the show can be heard locally on WKUY-LP at 106.1 FM. For those out of the valley, anywhere else in the world, catch us streaming on-line via the station's web site of .

Thanks to all of you for your patience during our little medical "sabbatical", and we hope you'll continue to enjoy the program!

Your Host,
Bill Lloyd

FYI: Bill Lloyd was the 1st NYSMLA President

Saturday, September 26, 2009

Swamp creatures in the backyard

Yep this is turtle #2 photo by Robert. He's a little smaller than his partner, this one is maybe 14" in diameter. They live in the ditch or pond bank about 150 yards from the house.

Tuesday, September 22, 2009

September ML season proposal , sound familiar?

September ML season proposal, sound familiar, sure does to BPB?

So one guy on a forum has hatched a plan touting a September ML season. Humm he said the Big Game committee suggested it. AH, says me, I sure wish he would have put as much energy into the September week a few years ago when the Wayne County Federation and then again the NYSMLA proposed it.
Odd how people grab your ideas and run with them as if they were their own, like I’d forget being told a September ML flattop week utilizing last years left over tags was no good.

Monday, September 14, 2009

NYSMLA and NY Bow Hunters joint proposal Southern zone big game

Attached please find a letter which we issued to Commissioner Grannis today to the DEC. This was a joint letter worked on by NYB and the New York State Muzzleloader Association. The NYSMLA & NYBH have been in meetings for the past several months now.

This partnership was long overdue and a necessity in order to come up with a reasonable season structure for the southern zone that everyone could live with.In March, it was proposed to Gary Socola verbally that in order to have an Oct. 1 opener in the southern zone, bowhunters would have to give up 1 weekend for a youth firearms season and also make room for a 1 week early muzzleloader season which will be held within the early archery season. You will recall this is the same proposal which was given to NYB back in 2004 and 2005 and was soundly defeated.

Gary believe's that the same proposal would be defeated once again but bowhunters would be used as the scapegoat and in the end they would still be left out in the cold concerning their lost season time. Bowhunters and muzzleloader hunters are not at odds with one another, having the DEC sandwich our individual seasons between the regular firearms season allows the DEC to put us at odds. The attached proposal allows for the DEC to achieve its goals, the muzzleloader organization to achieve their goals and for bowhunters to regain our lost hunting time.

This proposal was given a considerable amount of time and effort by both organizations and was not taken lightly. Every aspect was looked at from every angle in order to come up with a justification of why this should work for all sportsman. This proposal however is not perfect but NYB and the NYSMLA believe it is something that all sportsmen can live with and furthermore, it will allow the DEC to expand on their management goals.Please use this letter when you speak to support our proposal. In the coming days we will issue comments as questions arise.Hoping everyone has a safe and successful season this fall.

Wm. J. Brookover
5336 Lincoln Rd
Ontario,NY. 14519

"BlackPowder" Bill President NY Muzzleloaders Assn.


Dear Commissioner Grannis, September 11, 2009New York Bowhunters (NYB) and the New York State Muzzleloaders Association (NYSMLA) havedeveloped the following southern zone big game season compromise that encompasses the desires of bothorganizations as well as that of the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation (DEC).

The DEC Bureau of Wildlife desires to increase the harvest of antlerless deer in their effort toeffectively manage the whitetail deer herd in NYS as well as allow for a weekend of early hunting opportunity for junior big game firearms hunters. The NYSMLA wishes to have an early “primitive”muzzleloading season and NYB seeks to restore lost hunting opportunity that occurred with the implementation of 2005 big game restructuring regulations. We highly recommend that the DEC implement the following big game regulations in the southern zone.

1. Open the 23-day regular firearms season on the Saturday before Thanksgiving.

2. Open the early archery season on October 1st, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season.

3. Allow for a weekend of junior (ages 14 & 15) big game hunting opportunity on the weekendprior to the opening of the regular firearms season.

4. Open a 5-day antlerless-only “primitive” muzzleloading season on the Monday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season, ending on the Friday prior to the beginning of the regular firearms season. The DEC follows a progression of weaponry in the northern zone, starting with archery season,muzzleloader season and then progressing into the regular firearms season. The above proposal follows the precedence already set by the DEC.

Definition of a “primitive” muzzleloader:

A rifle or musket with a smooth or rifled barrel loaded through the muzzle and shooting a round patched ball. It will possess a side lock in the form of an external hammer design (serpentine, cork or hammer) that either holds a rope (slow match) or flint or has a hammer that fires a percussion cap. It will also possess a flash pan, touchhole or nipple which is situated on the side, top or bottom of the barrel with sights that are open or peep in design (no optics allowed).

Sincerely yours,

Gary J. Socola -------------------- President Bill Brookover - President
New York Bowhunters, Inc.--------------------------------New York State Muzzleloader Association

Monday, August 31, 2009

Saturday, August 22, 2009

Hummm, he's not white

This showed up in my mail today
The Obama cartel claims there are “white people showing up with guns” to Obama speeches. This guy is black, which the media concealed, and then they claim white racism?

Anyone still believe the media does not lie to us?

Wednesday, August 19, 2009

Cable Restraint Bill

Thoughts on the Cable Restraint Bill

Bill to allow the DEC to develop Rules and Regulations for the use of cable restraints was introduced in the Assembly and Senate again this 2009 Legislative Session. And like similar bills at least the last decade failed to make it out of the respective Environmental Conservation Committees. So they could be voted upon by the full legislature.

Why haven’t the bills gotten past the Environmental Conservation Committees?
- They have no additional cost to the State.
- They do not require additional state resources or personnel.
- They are non-controversial and have little organized opposition.
- Cable Restraints are safer to use in urban and suburban locations where pets may be inadvertently caught.
- They can be more effective than many other devices.
- Their use can potentially reduce the costs of nuisance animal control for both the public and NWCO’s

My conclusion is that the advantages of cable restraints have not been a factor with the Assembly and Senate. More importantly, there has been no obvious political mileage in considering a cable restraint law.
- There is little public pressure to change the current law that outlaws snares.
- Most of the members of the Assembly and Senate Environmental Conservation Committees are from urban and suburban locations and have little contact with nuisance wildlife.
- The public is generally ignorant about modern cable restraints and how they are used, and why they may be preferable to other methods.
- There is little political mileage by spending their time on a bill that has little public support. Such a bill is easy to ignore to spend time on issues with more public interest.

Do I think a cable restraint bill should be passed? Most definitely Yes; do I think it will become law in the foreseeable future? No; unless there is a concerted campaign by NWCO’s, trappers, Spa’s, animal rights organizations and others to contact their legislators and pressure them to pass a bill allowing cable restraints to be used in New York State. There must also be an aggressive education campaign to educate SPCA’s, animal Rights Organizations, and the public that cable restraints are not snares, but are a humane and effective method of capturing nuisance animals with minimal danger to pets.

I do not believe NWCO’s can do it alone, but we must combine forces with other groups. What can we do? I suggest that:
- NWCO’s establish a dialogue with other groups interest in safe, humane animal capture.
- That NWCO’s establish a dialogue with groups concerned with the safety of pets in urban and suburban areas.
- That NWCO’s establish a dialogue with other groups with an economic interest in more effective animal capture techniques. eg. Fur trappers.
- That NWCO’s, in association with other groups undertake an education campaign to educate politicians and the public about cable restraints.
- That NWCO’s pressure their legislators and the members of the Environmental Conservation Committees to act positively on introduced cable restraint bills.

To summarize, we must make it politically advantageous to support a cable restraint bill. We must give our representatives a reason to consider a cable restraint bill ahead of the numerous other bills introduced each year. We must make it more advantageous for them to act on a cable restraint bill than to let it die in committee. Without these changes, I fear that we will not see a cable restraint bill passed in the foreseeable future.

Bert Mead

Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Senator Schneiderman - Senator Valesky

Subject: Meeting Senator Schneiderman - Senator Valesky

Senator Valesky organized today's meeting that was held for Senator Schneiderman to talk with a dozen concerned sportsmen / gun owners in Senator Valesky's area. Before the meeting, which was held at a sportsmen's club, Charlie Pace and I participated in a tour with the Senators and Senate staff to an archery/gun shop. At the shop many questions were asked about the procedures for sale and licenses to buy guns.

Discussion about lowering the age to hunt big game with a bow to 12 years old may have done some good, as Senator Schneiderman was surprised to learn that our state has a minimum draw weight for bows to make them legal to hunt big game with. He said he wished he knew that in 2008 when he opposed the bill.

The next stop was the sportsmen’s club and the range, where the senators and staff learned about muzzleloaders, handguns, rifles and shotguns and talked with the group of concerned sportsmen. Senator Schneiderman also had the opportunity to shoot both 50 and 54 caliber muzzleloaders. Then down to business of lunch and the meeting, where we were joined by Senator Aubertine.

Senator Schneiderman was very receptive to the comments made by everyone in attendance. Hopefully we have educated him and staff and we will have an ally to stop the anti-gun legislation that hurts only the law-abiding gunowners. This tour and meeting resulted from some of the talks I had with Senators Valesky, Schneiderman and Aubertine earlier this year.

Senator Schneiderman became the Chair of the Codes Committee this year; he is from Manhattan and was dealing with gun issues from an urban perspective. I had brought up the fact that the legislation he was sponsoring would hurt the sportsmen and gunowners from all over the state.

Senator Schneiderman said he would hold off on pushing the gun bills until he had a chance to get more facts, and it was decided that Senator Valesky would arrange a tour and meeting with sportsmen in his area for Senator Schneiderman.

Harold L. Palmer
New York State Conservation Council, Inc.

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

From the Desk of NY Senator Tom Libous

Looks like we escaped another near train wreck. BPB

From the Desk of Senator Tom Libous
August 4, 2009

Dear George [Franke],

We've managed to stop the micro-stamping and the pistol re-permitting bills - for now.

Bad bills like micro-stamping and pistol re-permitting and the irresponsible State Budget are why I proposed the historic rules changes on June 8th. And, while the news media may have said the Senate wasn't working, I was working to make sure that these bad bills didn't get put on the Senate agenda.

Those bills were going to be brought up for a vote by the New York City bosses later on in June.

While we stopped these anti-Second Amendment Rights bills for now, the New York City bosses will try again to pass them. They may not be on the agenda for Thursday's Session but they may be in September.

I'll keep working with the NRA, George Franke of the Adirondack-Catskill Safari Club International, William Gibson of the Shooters Committee on Political Education and Darryall Sprague of the Broome County Sportsmen's Federation to make sure that the New York City bosses know that they're wrong on these issues.

But we also need to keep working together. If you aren't registered to vote, please register by clicking here for the form. If you are, make sure you vote. And make sure that your hunting buddies are registered and vote too. That's the clearest way to send a message to the New York City bosses.

Stay in touch!

NY Big Game WMU changes

Here it is !
NY Big Game,The odds of selection for Deer Management Permits (DMPs) in 2009 have been posted on our website at

We routinely get questions from hunters about how DMP quotas are developed, and we have a description of the process posted at

DMPs will be available when licenses go on sale beginning August 17, 2009. The deadline for application is October 1, 2009. As a reminder, the license fees have changed as well, and DMP applications will now be free only for holders of a Junior Hunting or Junior Bowhunting licenses and for hunters who purchased a Lifetime Sportsmen License prior to October 1, 2009. All other license holders will be charged $10 for the DMP application.

The $10 fee covers application for 1 or 2 DMPs.Also, please be aware that some Wildlife Management Unit boundaries have changed. It is very important that you review the new WMU boundaries so that you are able to apply for a DMP in the correct unit.

The boundary changes also affect some season dates, bag limits, and open areas for big and small game, turkey, waterfowl, and furbearers.

See for boundary descriptions and for description of the boundary changes.

Jeremy Hurst
Big Game Biologist_

NYBigGame mailing list

NY biggame list

Wednesday, July 29, 2009 Moose River Rendezvous

Come visit us for the New York State Muzzle Loaders Association 18th annual Primitive Rendezvous at the Moose River plains WMU just outside Inlet ,NY. October 9th till 16th.

Visitors day is Sunday, October 11th~time 10:00am till 5:00 pm.

Wednesday, July 22, 2009

Change pistol permit policy

Letter: Change pistol permit policy
By Chris Lane, Jack Taylor, Bob Hoskins, Dave Kaufman, John Sackett
Published: Tuesday, July 7, 2009 10:07 AM EDT


Genesee County rarely issues unrestricted concealed carry pistol permits to its residents, effectively barring the right to carry a firearm for personal protection. This is in stark contrast to the policies of the majority of counties surrounding Genesee.

For example, Niagara, Orleans, Monroe, Livingston, and Wyoming counties routinely issue pistol permits for personal protection, with Erie County being the sole exception.Genesee County issues permits that restrict firearm use to sporting activities such as hunting, target shooting, or collecting, unless the applicant can show proper justification, such as employment, or a predisposition to targeted criminal activity.Strikingly, individuals who hold an unrestricted permit issued by another county are not restricted when they visit or immigrate to Genesee County, and retain their right to carry a concealed handgun.

These persons enjoy a level of protection that is denied for typical Genesee County pistol permit holders.The result is a stratification of rights; rewarding one class of citizen, while unfairly discriminating against another, based on either a supposed predisposition to victim-hood, or solely on their county of issue.

The current policy is essentially arbitrary and clearly violates the spirit of equal protection under the law.Although crime rates in Genesee County are relatively low, a compliment to the outstanding performance of our local and state law enforcement agencies, it must be recognized that police officer resources are limited. No organization can provide simultaneous protection to all citizens in all areas within our county, and law enforcement is under no legal obligation to provide protection to any particular citizen.Random crime does not target any particular individual, and as such, all residents of the county share an equal chance of being a victim of opportunistic criminals.

Therefore, our citizens deserve the right to defend their person, their family, and their private property using the most efficient means available, a concealed handgun.Concerns about increased violence among citizens due to concealed carry laws have been unwarranted and rigorous studies show that crime rates actually decrease in counties when right to carry concealed laws are adopted.

These studies also confirm that allowing citizens to carry concealed firearms deters violent crime with no increase in accidental deaths.Finally, citizens who are granted conceal carry permits are so thoroughly vetted that they are five times less likely to commit a crime than the average non-permit holder and their rate of criminality is three-fold lower than that of law enforcement officers themselves.

The citizens of Genesee County are no different than our neighbors living in nearby counties, and we deserve the same civil liberties that they enjoy. It is time that the Genesee County pistol permit application process is amended to recognize protection of life and property as proper cause to carry a registered concealed handgun within the county, and such an amended policy should be retroactively applied to current county pistol permit holders upon their appeal.

For more information, or to support this issue, please see our Web site:
Chris Lane
Jack Taylor
Bob Hoskins
Dave Kaufman
John Sackett

Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Senator Nozzolio

The message I sent yesterday regarding my opposition to Governor Paterson's new State Assessment Fee on utilities has already generated hundreds of responses from constituents who are also fed up with yet another unnecessary, burdensome tax.
It is now my pleasure to inform you that I have created a separate link to my online petition against this outrageous tax increase.

If you are as frustrated as I am with the new utility tax, I encourage you to click on and call upon Governor Paterson and Senate President Malcolm Smith to repeal this onerous tax. The petition will also remain accessible through my Facebook page or by visiting my website.

With Best Wishes,
Mike Nozzolio Senator
54th District

NEPR @ Newark Valley ,NY

Last week took me down to the NEPR for a few days. The friendship lodge was set up and Chris & Joey Smith again allowed me to stay in their tent. We had great weather and a pretty good turn out. The NYSMLA affiliate has done fantastic job of working with the local historical society.
I finally meet Booshway Jeff Hunt , we've been on cyber airwaves for a spell and spoke by phone several times.

Jeff twisted my arm to drink a few ice cold Coors~ LOL

This pre-1840 event will offer black powder shoots, knife throwing and primitive archery, as well as numerous demonstration in and around the grounds of the primitive farmstead. After the public weekend, the rest of the week will be left for workshops on horn making, woodworking, black powder shooting, blacksmithing, churning butter, weaving and more.

You can find out more about muzzle loading and vous by visiting. Come visit us @

Hey enjoy the articles.
President NYSMLA

Here are 2 links to the event one contains a video~

Ithaca Journal article

Historical encampment

You'll note the opening shot features Joey Smith in front of the friendship lodge.

By WBNG News
Story Created: Jul 12, 2009 at 10:48 PM EDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT
Newark Valley has been overcome with hundreds of campers who are living in the past.
Watch The Video
The historical society is holding a primitive celebration showcasing the lifestyle of the 1800's.
Action News reporter Rachael Hidalgo takes us to the camp.

These people in Newark Valley are traveling back in time.

More than 400 people have set up their tents and banned all modern technology.
They're living as people did between 1640 and 1840.
"We think it's important to show people the skills and the knowledge that our fore-fathers had. And a lot of things are just plain interesting," says Organizer Jerry Rhodes.
Like the daily menu.
Take a look at what's on the dinner table tonight.... fresh roasted pig.
"You just never cease to learn something here every time you come here. You just never cease. If you have a talent you share that with people. For me, it's cooking," says chef Leslie Page.
Although these tents may seem primitive, everyone here says this is pretty much a vacation for them from the hectic, modern world.
"It's a lot more fun than people think, you know you really, people rely, especially today a lot on electronics, and everyone's like oh computer, IM, Facebook, you don't miss it at all," says camper Elizabeth "Wizza" Miller.
While going back in time may not be appeal to everyone, for the families here, it's a way to bond . . . and live the history that shaped our country.
In Newark Valley, Rachael Hidalgo, WBNG-TV Action News.

Sunday, July 5, 2009

Genesee County Federation of Sportsman Clubs Inc

I wish you a Happy Fourth of July.
A great time to remember our Second Amendment.
“A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Sincerely, Glen Adams Secretary Genesee County Federation of Sportsman Clubs Inc.

Genesee County Federation of Sportsman Clubs Inc.
Minutes of
June 30, 2009
Present: Sportsmen’s Coon Hunters Association Inc, Genesee County Fish and Game Protective Association, Oatka Fish and Game Club Inc. Genesee Conservation Foundation Inc, Batavia Rod and Gun Club Inc, Bergen Rod and Gun Club Inc, Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs,
Guests: SCOPE and NY Bowhunters Inc.
Excused President Larry Allen and Treasurer Angelo Steffenella

Meeting called to order 7:32PM by Vice President Roger Rada

· Motion is made by Bergen Rod and Gun Club Inc (Gil McBroom) and second by Genesee County Fish and Game Protective Association (Paul Wood) to accept the May minutes as distributed. Motion carried.

· Roger requested a vote on the applications for membership of SCOPE and NY Bowhunters to join Genesee County Federation of Sportsman Clubs Inc. The vote was unanimous and Roger Rada extended a welcome to our new members.

Treasurers Report submitted by Angelo Steffenella and read by Roger Rada.

No Further Transactions during the month.
Respectfully Submitted for Audit by Angelo Steffenella Treasurer.

NYSCC resolutions passed out to all along with a vote sheet that is to be turned in by the August meeting so that Ken Alfes and I (Glen Adams) can vote at the fall meeting according to the Federations wishes. Some discussion occurred about the many anti second amendment bills that are tied up in the Senate due to the ongoing power struggle. Some of the good legislation also being tied up is the bill allowing rifle use in Wyoming and other counties.

The Governor has refused to sign any that have passed as not legal. Discussion occurred about how St Lawrence County is having some of the same problems as Genesee County is in that the permits are being allowed only for target and hunting. Self Defense is being denied as a reason of possession by Judges such as Republican Judge Noonan of Genesee County. Discussion came up about his term and how to mount an opposition to depose of him at the next election. As his pistol permit decisions have been anti second amendment.

New Business:
SCOPE President Chris Lane and the new delegate to our Federation Christopher Lamb thanked the Genesee County Federation for allowing them to join our body. They stated that Pistol permits are not given fairly in Genesee County and therefore SCOPE is turning its attention to Genesee County. The ultimate goal is get a law to remove the self defense restriction from Genesee county permits, and pistol permits in general. SCOPE is passing a petition to get 1000 signatures to start their efforts to obtain a law taking it out of the arbitrary discretion of judges such as Noonan.

SCOPE has had feedback that their efforts are beginning to be felt by Noonan and other politician with in Genesee County. SCOPE made their presences known as a recent Republican Fund Raiser. They are trying to get a list of every club that is a member within the Federation and that is supplied to every participating organization within the Federation. SCOPE feels we have 3000 active pistol permit owners within Genesee County and many more that side with those permit holders.

SCOPE feels that the rules as applied within Genesee County are arbitrary and unfair in Genesee County. They will try to get information posted within The Batavia Daily News. Genesee County chapter of SCOPE had gone from 83 to 125 members currently. SCOPE needs as much backing as possible. A suggestion of free initial membership to increase its membership was given. Chris answered that although they would like to do that, the finances of the membership is such that they need the dues to carry out their activities on behalf of Firearm owners. The Genesee county chapter has a core of fifteen members that chair committees and carry out youth activities. Genesee County is trying to build up its membership and an active coalition of workers within the Chapter.

Discussion came up about some of the resolutions passed out. One of them being the UTV and it currently cannot be registered for highway use, but can with a slow moving vehicle sign be used along the road. In some of the Northern counties and the Adirondacks ATV’s can be used if registered and insured on roads marked for ATV’s.

A poll among the Delegates of Genesee County Federation is that the majority do not want Antler restrictions in New York State and Genesee County especially. The only dissenting voice was from Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs representative Joe Wolak. It was stated that within the area we are note harvesting the amount of does that we need to.

The Habitat Grant awarded to the Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs for the 25 acre project at Darien Lake State parks. Joe Wolak stated as the project has been trying to go forward a lot of negatives have occurred. After some committed to start plowing for the project they have backed out upon seeing the site or other things.

One of the groups involves pheasants Forever ran into the same situation. The group is working towards a mid August planting for fall. One of the groups that Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs is working with is Jeffries farms and they have given a proposal and had expected to receive a written response of commitment back by now. As the situation has continued the cost of switch grass seed has risen from $1,200 to $3,500. The group is still trying to accomplish the project. The Jeffries offered a complete package of plowing and planting for $2,200 and the Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs is awaiting written confirmation. Currently the fall planting would be advisable.

The lot has a lot of golden rod, it was suggested that brush hogging, then spraying may be advisable. The group had decided on Switch grass as two organizations within the coalition of the project require it. The planting should be good for three to five years. Rye which was suggested at this meeting would not have enough stamina for weather conditions. It was mentioned that there other grasses would be within the mix being planted. Western NY Federation of Hunting Dogs requested that the $2500 grant be held for it until such time as they request it. All Genesee County Federation delegates agreed.

NY Bowhunters Inc representative Jody Ferrara expressed his thanks for welcoming the Bowhunters to our federation. He also mentioned that the NY-Bowhunters held a Region 8 camp that was paid for by the bowhunters and is for youth 12 to 16yrs at camp cuttler and will be held again on the last week of June 1010. Jody Ferrara also mentioned some up and coming Hunter ED/bow classes coming up a Munford Rod and Gun Club.

Glen mentioned the class listed below at Oatka and the others were also mentioned.

Genesee08/19/2009• Wed 08/22/2009• Sat 08/24/2009• Mon
Hunter Ed6:00pm-10:00pm 8:00am-12:00pm 6:00pm-9:00pm
Oatka Fish and Game Club, Wilcox Rd., Leroy. You must Pre-register in person at the Leroy Town Clerks office, 48 Main St., Leroy. For more information email You must attend all sessions

Genesee10/01/2009• Thu 10/03/2009• Sat 10/05/2009• Mon
Hunter Ed6:00pm-9:00pm 8:00am-12:00pm 6:00pm-9:00pm
Batavia Rod and Gun Club, 10509 West Bethany Rd., Batavia. You must Pre-register in person at Batavia Marine and Sporting Goods, 411 West Main St., Batavia. For more information email You must attend all sessions

Genesee0 8/05/2009• Wed0 8/07/2009• Fri08/08/2009• Sat
Bowhunter Ed6:00pm-9:00pm6:00pm-9:00pm1:00pm-5:00pm
Leroy High School cafeteria, South Street, Leroy. You must Pre-register in person at the Leroy Town Clerks office at 48 Main St., Leroy. For more information email You must attend all sessions

Ken Alfes mentioned the Genesee County Fish and Game Protective Association at Godfrey’s pond celebrated its 100th anniversary, he stated thank you to all that participated. Stephen Hawley presented a proclamation from the Assembly congratulating the Genesee County Fish and Game Protective Association on 100 years of Conservation.

Representatives of Senator Rathenhoffer office were at the celebration presenting a similar proclamation from the senate. Membership application fee is $150 for the first year and $125 annually for following years, subject to change. These are for Family memberships and quite a few were picked up during the celebrations. The club has rifle ranges of 25, 50 and 100 yards.

Motion to adjourn made by Batavia Rod and Gun Club Inc. (Lou Lang) and Second by the Bergen Rod and Gun Club Inc. (Gil McBroom). Motion carried.

Next meetings:
July 28th 7:30 PM at Alabama Hunt Club Inc. Lewiston Rd, Alabama NY
August 25th 7:30 PM at Sportsman Coon Hunters Association, Hopkins Rd, Batavia, NY
September 29th 7:30 PM Bergen Rod and Gun Club, Route 19, Bergen NY
October 27th 7:30 PM at Oatka Fish and Game Club Inc. Wilcox Rd, LeRoy, NY
November 24th 7:30 PM at Genesee County Fish & Game Protective Association at Godfrey’s Pond Stafford, NY.
December NO meeting.

Thursday, June 25, 2009

NY Times opinion on Mexico and guns

The NY Slimes has another inflamatory article this week against American's and our guns. Yes, I know it is hard to imagine a newspaper that thrives on facts would print such horseshit then publish it for the world to read. What some business will do for $timlius and a little attention.

Here is the link to the article I've commented on.
Death and American Guns in Mexico

BPB comments:

If a gun show is unregulated then how do they trace anything back to that show?

Oh yeeaa how stupid of me! Jose told the feds he got it from Juan; who'ssister's brother Jeppe has a cousin on his mothers side that lives with hissister Maria's little bro-Mikie's white girlfriend Alysia who is pregnant withRubin’s little brothers baby who she'll name Jalapyo once they move out ofMaria's mother in laws house in San Luis.

This article is more than a load of CRAP, it borders on slander against privatedealers! Must be nice to have the papers money behind you so you can tell & printanything you want without fear of reprisal.How about we launch a fax-email and phone war against the times lets see howthey like our comments.

Mexico couldn't trace a slug across a concrete pad much less a firearm theypurchased for their crooked police & then sold to a brother in law the following week. List not in Spanish; give us a break will ya! Well hell no it ain't in Spanishit’s an AMERICA LIST! What's next, will Mexico complain this NYTimes opinion is not in Spanish?

Maybe for the Sunday edition this editor can do a spot on:
Mexico, their drugs in America.


Wednesday, June 24, 2009

DEC pulls support from Antler Restrictions

Antler Restrictions ~bpb
Mr. Charles O. Hancock, Chairman Conservation Fund Advisory Board 625 Broadway Albany, New York 12233-4751

Dear Mr. Charles O. Hancock

This letter is to inform you of DEC's withdrawal of a recent regulatory proposal to extend antler point restrictions for deer hunting to eight additional Wildlife Management Units (WMUs) in southeastern New York. The proposal was made in response to a request from a coalition of antler restriction advocates, followed by our own survey that suggested a formal public comment period would be useful.

We received many comments in support of and in opposition to the proposal, and it is apparent that most people on either side of this issue have very strongly held opinions.Hunters opposing the change stated that they are mostly interested in "meat, not antlers," and are concerned about decreased harvest opportunity, particularly in light of relatively low Deer Management Permit (antlerless deer tags) availability.

They also expressed frustration with a loss of freedom to select the type of buck they wish to harvest, and contend that antler point restrictions will negatively affect hunter sentiment and participation and associated economic benefits. Hunters also expressed concern that the penalties for mistakenly shooting a deer with too few antler points include a potential misdemeanor criminal charge.

Hunters supporting the antler restriction proposal cited their interest in taking older, larger deer and contended that this program will enhance deer management in New York, including economic and social benefits associated with the "excitement" of seeing and taking older, larger deer. They believe that antler restrictions will help create a "healthier" deer herd.

At the present time, our biologists see no specific management benefit associated with the antler restriction program and do not consider antler restrictions as necessary to improve herd condition. Deer populations throughout New York currently have healthy breeding patterns and adult sex ratios that ensure virtually all does are bred, conditions that indicate our deer herd is in good condition.We believe interest in antler restrictions is primarily an issue of hunter preference, and it is clear that hunters are deeply divided.

There is no biological urgency to implement a mandatory antler restriction in the proposed deer management units, and hunters who wish to adopt an antler restriction policy or practice may already do so on a voluntary basis.
DEC will pursue further dialogue with hunters to promote greater awareness and realistic expectations of the potential outcomes of antler restriction programs.

We are already planning to hold public meetings on deer management this fall, and we intend to include this issue as a discussion point. Deer management and potential changes to hunting laws and regulations are serious matters for DEC. We will continue to monitor the status of deer populations and the interests of stakeholders to recommend or enact changes that are in the best interests of sound game management and the ability of people to use and enjoy this important wildlife resource.

I appreciate your support for big game hunting and our deer management program.

Sincerely, Alexander B. Grannis

BPB reply; I firmly believe that AR should NOT be forced on the citizens of NY ,especially public hunting lands. AR on private land , your land, hey go for it.

FYI: I recently sat on the DEC Region 8f committee that was comprised of sportsmen,landowners,farmers,homeowners ect...

I represented the non-affiliated groups even though I am heavily affiliated. The Affiliated rep. could not make the meetings so Art Kirsch DEC big game biologist asked if I would also wear the affiliated hat a swell.

In the second meeting many of the reps did not show up! Leaving the table very light. We decided after compiling our surveys the region 8f WMU needed to reduce the deer herd by 25%.

Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Commercial Lights out

Lights out

Don Sage Accounting questions for Gov. Patterson

From :Donald Sage
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 10:51 PM
Subject: Accounting
21 June 2009

Governor David Paterson
State Capital, 2nd Floor
Albany, NY 12224

Dear Governor Paterson:

As the legislative year nears conclusion where is the accounting to the sportsmen for our $53.2 Million? NYS sportsmen received $13.2 Million from the Federal Government – where is the breakdown of expenses for these funds? License sales bring in over $40 Million – where is the breakdown and accountability of these funds? What actions have you taken to stop the stealing of our sportsmen funds? What actions have you taken to insure every conservation/ environmental fine, penalty, and settlement goes into our conservation fund and not the general fund? What checks and safe-guards have you put in place to guarantee the entire $14 Million you, Smith and Silver – in your secret budget – are taking from sportsmen is returned to their programs? What actions have you taken to refund the conservation fund for the illegal expenditures by your predecessors? The only personnel eligible to be paid from the conservation fund are the fish hatchery and game farm employees – No One Else. No one else works for the sportsmen and conservation fund! When are you going to eliminate Enck, Grannis and the gang of thieves taking our sportsmen dollars?

Instead of worrying about mental deficient queers, perverts, sexual deviates, etc. what actions have you taken to protect our 2nd Amendment rights? We have all seen the cowardness of Silver and Smith, and their refusal to allow pro- 2nd Amendment representatives a voice. This shows in the idiocy of Silver’s Assembly’s anti-gun legislation now before the Senate. Where is your voice recommending the Senate ignore and reject every Assembly Bill? Where is your statement that you will support the Constitution and Bill of Rights and will veto every anti-gun bill that is passed?

What action have you taken to eliminate all appointed and non-civil service positions in state government? What action have you taken to reduce wasteful spending and to eliminate such worthless agencies as the Adirondack Park Agency? Where are these reductions to aid the taxpayer? What steps have you taken to eliminate taxes based on ownership of property and switch to income based only? What programs have you implemented to reopen illegally closed roads, reclaiming the 3,000 poisoned waters of the Adirondacks, improving access to and more multiple uses (motorized) of existing state lands, and cancelling all land purchases by the state? What programs have you implemented that limit the state to purchase of conservation easements only and keep all land in private ownership?

The Federal Government and other states – all recognize the importance of sportsmen, habitat management, outdoor recreation and the economic benefits they bring. When is NYS going to get on board? Snowmobiles and ATV’s could bring millions of dollars to the economy if state lands supported trails. Reclaiming and restocking waters would bring more anglers and more economic dollars. Habitat improvement, timbering/ forest products, and active recreational management would increase wildlife numbers and species for many varied and versatile groups to enjoy, and bring in money for the state. By simply cleaning your house you could turn NYS’s economy around. Please take this action and eliminate state waste, useless agencies, and appointees.


Donald Sage
P.O. Box 123
Paradox, NY 12858

Monday, June 22, 2009

Bills Passed in the Assembly June 18, 2009

Bills passed June 18th

A7509 O'Mara -- Allows hunters in the county of Schuyler to hunt deer by the use of a rifle
A7581A Kolb -- Allows for rifle hunting in Ontario County

Sunday, June 21, 2009

Wayne County SCOPE meeting dates

Wayne county info.

We meet the second Wednesday of every month except July, August, and December. our meeting place is the Marion American Legion ,located on Witherden Rd. in Marion. We meet at 7:pm, have a casual meeting, sometimes with a speaker and always with a light meal. Anyone is welcome.

Dan Gilmore is County Chairman

Here is a link to all our county and state contacts

Wayne County departments

Saturday, June 20, 2009

DEC pulls support for antler restrictions

I had a letter show up today from Commissioner Grannis stating the DEC has withdrawn support from 8 additional WMU's. This was based on numerious comments from both sides of the fence. Science won in this round as the DEC feels "AR poses no signifiant management benefit & AR does not improve heard condition".
Many in opposition were meat hunter and their was a growing threat that a person shooting a non-legal buck would face criminal charges.


Sunday, June 14, 2009

NYS Trapping bill bad news A04777


As the NY Legislative season winds down this week there are a couple of very important bills out here that need our attention in hopes that we can contain them in Committee another year. Please take the time to call, fax or email your concerns to your local Senator & Assembly Representatives about the following bills.

It could be as simple as "my name is --------- and I am a licensed NYS sportsman or trapper. Bill #----- is very dangerous for trappers and I ask that it be removed from the committee agenda or held in committee. Thank you." Thank You for doing you part to keep trapping strong in New York and if you’re not currently a member of the New York State Trappers Association or have a fellow trapper that isn’t, please consider that without support, both financially and in numbers, we will surely fall by the wayside and the anti-trappers will win.

You can view the full bills at the Assembly website and the Senate website at .

Wayne Jones
New York State Trappers Association Vice President
(315) 768-8115

A04777 Summary:
BILL NO A04777
SAME AS Same as S 5423
SPONSOR Englebright (MS)
COSPNSR Rosenthal, Kavanagh, McEneny, Bradley, Colton
MLTSPNSR Latimer, Pheffer
Add S11-1111, En Con L

Provides that each county within the state may limit, restrict or prohibit trapping within its municipal limits; provides that municipalities may do so by local law or ordinance.

S5423 SERRANO Same as A 4777 Englebright (MS)
Environmental Conservation Law
TITLE....Relates to limiting, restricting or prohibiting trapping

A08724 Summary:
BILL NO A08724
SAME AS No same as

Rpld S3, Chap 387 of 2004; rpld SS27-0702, 19-0315 & 11-1109, amd S11-1101, En
Con L

Relates to the trapping of wildlife; repeals certain provisions of the environmental conservation law relating to the small business stationary source compliance advisory panel and the state task force on flame retardant safety and the solid waste management board.

Tuesday, June 9, 2009

NY Senate like a fish on the deck!

NY Politicker news

You gotta read the stories. LMAO

Hi Everyone ...
I just had a call from SCI Rep. Bob Keicher and he informed me that two downstate Senators have switched parties, from Democrat to Republican and the Republicans have again taken over control of the NY State Senate. They are in the process of reorganizing the Senate at this time.
Senator Dale Volker has announced that there will be NO gun bills this year!!!
Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!

Bill Hilts Sr.

Sunday, June 7, 2009

Buffalo News can't report the news

From one of SCOPE's members:

Thank you for keeping me in the loop:-)

I communicated to the Senator your concerns. Please be assured that if this bill comes to a vote, Senator Stachowski will oppose it.

Unfortunately, an opinion article on today's Buffalo News suggests that the
Senator has not stated his position clearly and implies that he might even support
these anti-gun bills.
Please make sure to let your fellow members at Scope and the entire WNY
sporting community know of the Senator's position.

Thank you and, please, stay in touch.

Best Regards,

Despina Moraitou
Legislative Analyst
Senator Stachowski's office

NY Senator Tom Libous opposes Micro-stamping

Opposition to microstamping
Tuesday, June 02, 2009
You may have received a call tonight from the NRA asking you to call me to oppose S.4397 which would require microstamping on all handguns manufactured or delivered to licensed gun dealer in New York to be capable of microstamping the ammunition.

I will vote No if this bill comes to the Floor of the Senate.

I'm well aware of the negative impact that this would have on gun manufacturers in New York State, like Wesson Firearms in Norwich. I also know that it would have no impact on cutting crime but would just drive up the price of firearms.

Tom Libous

Glock paper on stamping

Friday, June 5, 2009

NY firearms ban in Parks

Public gun clubs and ranges to be shut down in New York if a new bill is passed into law.
That’s right folks, a new bill that seems to be on the fast track for the Senate is bill S4753A/A7183A.

“ This bill Prohibits the possession of concealed firearms in any federal, state or municipal park, campground or other publicly dedicated recreation area; imposes a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 for a violation thereof. “

So how many public ranges is their in New York; 100,200 maybe more. How many clubs have or are receiving money from the government? You all know how that FREE money deal works don’t ya? Let me explain for all those who missed the recent bailout stories. Uncle Sugar gives you money & the rules to go along with it!

I’m sure we will see the majority of membership only clubs tighten their requirements for open shooting like Skeet, Trap and Sporting Clays. I know as a former President and now a director of one of the most popular ranges in western NY we may be hard pressed and at full range utilization to accept all the fall out from the public ranges.

Campgrounds will take a big hit for sure I know for that will do in the NYS Muzzle Loaders fall Ronny which is held at the Moose River Plains camp ground area just outside Inlet, NY. What about all those campgrounds that host shooting competitors from around the country? Oddly enough some of our state leadership wants to ban firearms in Federal lands. DUH, the Feds just opened up concealed carry on federal land. So my question is; will the state loose federal dollars if they decide to pass a local law banning firearms on federal land guess we’ll have to wait and see?
No more National Muzzle Loader annual Ronny’s on state land, tens of thousands of dollars will be lost to the local economies if this happens.

I could continue on but you all get the grim dark picture I’m sure. I don't care if the state says we will be excluded because you konow we will be fighting with some town or park over hunting regulations.

I can not stress enough for sportsmen to get involved. WWW.SCOPEny.ORG has several position papers on present legislation and you people better get informed and make your calls. You can visit me at for this comment and other news that affects NY sportsmen.

Make calls to your senator and assembly person on this one and while you are on the phone with your senator ask them to oppose the renewable pistol license bill S1598A. Call Senator Schneiderman the senate sponsor also at 518-455-2041

Hey! See ya on the firing line!

A07183 Summary:

SAME AS Same as S 4753-A

SPONSOR Englebright (MS)

COSPNSR Schimel, Paulin, Jaffee, Eddington, Espaillat, O'Donnell, Hooper,
Rivera N

MLTSPNSR Glick, Markey, McEneny

Add S13.31, Pks & Rec L

Prohibits the possession of concealed firearms in any park, campground or other
recreation area; imposes a civil penalty of not more than $1,000 for a
violation thereof.


A07183 Actions:

03/25/2009 referred to tourism, arts and sports development
04/22/2009 amend and recommit to tourism, arts and sports development
04/22/2009 print number 7183a
05/20/2009 amend and recommit to tourism, arts and sports development
05/20/2009 print number 7183b
05/27/2009 reported referred to codes


A07183 Votes:


A07183 Memo:

TITLE OF BILL: An act to amend the parks, recreation and historic
preservation law, in relation to prohibiting the possession of
concealed firearms in parks, campgrounds and other public recreation

PURPOSE OR GENERAL IDEA OF THE BILL: to prohibit the possession of
concealed firearms in any park, campground or other recreation area

SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS: the parks, recreation and historical
preservation law is amended by adding a new section 13.31which will
enact the prohibition of concealed firearms in parks, campgrounds and
other public recreation areas. Except as provided in this section and
otherwise specifically permitted in law, no person, other than a
member of a federal, state or municipal law enforcement agency, shall
introduce or possess, either upon his or her person or within a
vehicle or other place of storage, any concealed firearm in any
federal, state or municipal park, campground or other publicly
dedicated recreation area.

The prohibition in subdivision one of this section shall not apply: to
any campground under jurisdiction of the department of environmental
conservation only during the spring and fall hunting seasons; to
office of parks, recreation and historic preservation lands where
hunting is permitted by a rule or regulation of a regional park,
recreation and historic preservation commission; to privately owned
residences within parks and campgrounds in the Adirondack park and
Catskill park as defined by section 9-0101 of the Environmental
Conservation Law; and to any person employed by a private security
firm which has contracted with the public agency having jurisdiction
over the park, campground or public recreation area for services on
the property under the jurisdiction, custody and control of such
public agency who shall be permitted, with the approval of such public
agency, to carry or possess a concealed firearm supplied by his/her
employer in the course of his/her employment on such property,
provided that such person is licensed pursuant to section 400.00 of
the penal law and meets such minimum qualifications as may be
established by such public agency. In addition, any firm providing
security services on park land, campgrounds or other publicly
dedicated recreation area lands shall provide public liability
insurance, naming the appropriate federal government, state or
municipal agency as an insured party, in such amounts as the public
agency with jurisdiction shall require.

A violation of the provisions of this section shall be subject to a
civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollars.

JUSTIFICATION: a Federal Regulation (36 CFR Part 2 and 50 CFR Part 27)
enacted in December, 2008 allows for the carrying of concealed weapons
in National Parks and National Wildlife Areas by those licensed to
carry such weapons by State law. This new federal regulation, along
with a recent amendment to the Federal Credit Cardholders Bill of
Rights Act of 2009 (H.R. 627), create confusing, burdensome, and
unnecessary inconsistencies regarding firearm regulations as it
conflicts with current State Park and DEC rules prohibiting the
carrying of concealed firearms. In the interest of public safety and

the protection of natural resources, as well as consistency of statute
among State, Federal and Municipal parklands, it is necessary to
prohibit the possession of concealed firearms in any park, campground
or other public recreation area within the State.



EFFECTIVE DATE: This act shall take effect immediately.