OK~ I'm going to run a list of comments from Sportsmen. It might get a tad long but it is easier for me to track comments here than to follow all the emails I've been getting.
Ya know as they come in , I'll post them.
bpb
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Feb. 15 2009
Re: [SCOPEny] CFAB~DEC updated information
Bill,
There's much to be said about the proposed license fee increases.
I personally don't have the confidence that all of NYS's hunters,fishers and trappers are being represented properly - and have many questions for the state's lawmakers, DEC commissioner, governor and others.
A complete financial report (like Pennsylvania) has never been made available to NYS hunters, fishers and trappers.
The last time a partial and cursory report was made available was in 2002 (in the fishing/hunting regs guide).
I've got a few questions and comments for now.
Today, if one were to buy all of the current hunting, fishing and trapping licenses the cost would be ~$4,700 (approx. four thousand seven hundred dollars).
If the proposed fees are passed, the future costs for all hunting, fishing, trapping licenses would be ~$6,300 (approx. six thousand three hundred dollars).
This equals an increase of ~$1,500 (approx. one thousand five hundred dollars) - that's an increase of ~33%.
Some of the individual license increases were as high as 100% and some licenses show charges where there weren't any before.
The resident sportsman license will be increased by 26% while the non-resident sportsman license will be increased by only 12%.
In the past, when we've been able to see where the money was coming from and where it was going (usually these two figures were shown as being exactly the same) part of the DEC's (re fish and wildlife) budget went towards En Con (aka Law Enforcement) approx. $15 million/year. It's my opinion that we (as hunters, fishers and trappers) shouldn't be paying for the entire En Con allocation. Yes we have lawbreakers but the biggest offenders are those who pollute our lakes, streams, rivers, air and the environment in general.
Why should we be responsible for the entire En Con (police) budget?
If the governor gets his way and increases the fees by ~33% then the state's contribution to the conservation fund should also be increased by 33%. Why should we be the only group who pays for wildlife protection?
In the future, we should all be demanding a complete financial report yearly from the NYSDEC as it pertains to fish and wildlife (rounded off to the nearest dollar. All income and all expenditures.
How the NYSDEC has been able to get away with this lack of reporting is beyond me. It sounds like someone has been asleep at the switch.
, , Frank
bcc conservationists' list
ps - ref. http://www.outdoorliaisons.com/licensefee.htm
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Suffolk County
NYSCC's proposed license fee increase
Folks: As you know, Harold Palmer, the president of NYSCC, has requested input, from all of the NYSCC's member organizations, regarding NYSCC's proposed support for a license fee increase. SASI (the sportsmen's/women's federation, in and for Suffolk County) held a general meeting, last night, Feb 6, during which is was unanimously voted that we WOULD NOT support or consider any license fee proposals, unless and until such time as there has been a complete and accurate audit of and accounting for Conservation Fund monies.
The last audit, according to my memory, was at least a decade ago and, if my memory is accurate, as to its findings, it indicated much mismanagement and slipshod accounting procedures. Nothing, in that vein, to the best of my recollection and that of others, who have been around and involved that long, has changed.
Gary Hungerford
Showing posts with label NYS DEC budgt cuts. Show all posts
Showing posts with label NYS DEC budgt cuts. Show all posts
Wednesday, February 11, 2009
Sunday, January 4, 2009
NYSCC direction on DEC budget cuts
FYI: just cause I post it "does not" mean I agree with everything that is written.
update Jan 7~ I've posted a reply to the NYSCC letter below.
Gary Hungerford makes some realistic points. I've also added a link to Magnuson Act; however I can not locate the Supreme court comments.
bpb
Hello all concerned sportsmen.
As everyone has heard, we are facing some major cuts in the programs and staff that DEC provides for us through the Conservation Fund. Much of the funding for the Conservation Fund comes from the fees we spend on hunting, fishing and trapping licenses, and the federal dollars that are returned from federal taxes on equipment we buy, with some money also coming from the General Fund. This year there is less money coming in from the General Fund, which is adding to the deficit in the Conservation Fund.
In previous years there was talk of license fee increases, which the NYSCC opposed because of lack of support in the Legislature to lower the age to hunt big game. In 2008 this legislation passed, and now 14 and 15 years old can hunt big game.
I anticipated a proposal by DEC for license fee increases, which did not occur. Instead, the Governor's office and Budget and Finance decided to do away with the pheasant program, even though it brought in millions of dollars. Hopefully we can get money set up in a dedicated account to protect the pheasant program in future years. I have meetings set up with the hopes of saving the pheasant program for this year.
In the Governor's budget bills, there is also language to create a $10 trout and salmon stamp that would be required of everyone who will fish waters that are listed as trout waters. This would not be so bad - IF the money went into a special account for raising and stocking trout and salmon; at least we would have a means of protecting the fish hatcheries.
The $19 marine recreational fishing license will put New York State in compliance with federal regulations requiring a registry of all marine recreational anglers; but in the Governor's budget bill, nothing would go back to the marine district. Also, anyone fishing the Hudson River up to the Troy dam would need that marine license. Adding that to the cost of a freshwater license totals $38.
Capital projects money from the EPF for repairs to the fish hatcheries has been cut from $5 million to $1.5 million, and probably will be cut more.
At the January 3rd Board of Directors' meeting of the NYSCC, the Directors agreed that these issues could not wait until the NYSCC's Legislative Meeting in March. The Board voted as follows:
1- To support a reasonable increase in license fees;
2- To support the Trout and Salmon stamp, with monies dedicated to the maintenance and staffing of fish hatcheries and the stocking of fish; and to change the wording to "State stamp required when angling for and in possession of trout or salmon";
3- To support the creation of a pheasant stamp, with the money dedicated to raising and/ or purchasing pheasants and the stocking of pheasants on lands open to hunting by sportsmen;
4- To support the marine fishing license, with a couple of changes: $6 to go into the Conservation Fund to cover costs incurred, with the remainder going into the marine account. Also, a combination license at $29 should be offered;
5- To support the bottle bill: add a 5-cent deposit on non-carbonated beverage containers, with all unclaimed container return money going to the EPF;
I hope everyone can support these measures, so that we can keep our programs intact.
Please send me your comments.
Yours in Conservation,
Harold L. Palmer
President
New York State Conservation Council, Inc.
607-638-9013
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From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCOPEny/post?postID=fjZDf9ZUCxX10w4ooCYqrVVDGYJiYryvRApAXLsobyU6fOXUbko5xHCsjJbHy9-ptcd86cOg1QlYsicTo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCOPEny/post?postID=bCxO7P1qB3fHb6WZ6t-7KXs_vtUNcCaZNOLGipbjQTAIhJtHogye0UEQT9mZ41UfZC6Ln1zVBasLP5Kg34BJ2IkSent: 1/6/2009 11:37:11
A.M. Eastern Standard TimeSubj: NYSCC position on fee/license increases
Harold:
I've just finished reading your column, in the January edition of the Grass Roots News.I find I must take significant exception, to many of the things you support and, thru you, NYSCC supports.
Please let me clarify one item, since you don't seem to beaware of it. It was not Patterson, who decided to shut down theReynold's Game Farm.
The decision came from Judith Enck, the anti-conservationist, pro-tree-hugger, who has wanted to be rid of it andall similar programs, for as long as she has been aware of them.You ask what you can OFFER the governor, to save the pheasantprogram. You can't offer him anything! He agrees with Enck. Bothunderstand that the cost of the program is returned, many times over,thru license fees and taxes. They don't care. It's their excuse toeliminate another element of hunting, in NYS.You support the $10 salmon/trout stamp.
How can you? If youaccept this, what's coming next? Separate stamps, for each of crappie, walleye, pike, pickerel, pumpkinseed, smallmouth bass,largemouth bass, etc.?
It will never end, until they have made thesport financially impossible, for all except those with private lakes or the money to pay $500~$1,000, annually, to fish in freshwater.If they get away with that one, there will be deer stamps,antler stamps, bear stamps, moose stamps, turkey stamps, etc.
You support the saltwater fishing license, accepting theargument that, if NYS doesn't do it, the feds will do it. You know that argument doesn't hold water. You and I have been thru the details of the Magnuson Act and the Supreme Court ruling about how,when and why the feds can create databases, as well as the fact that the feds must provide funding for it, if they want it and if they can, constitutionally, justify it, which they can't.
NYS is just using what they know to be an illegally required database as their excuse, to steal more tax money, while reducing thenumber of anglers. Once implemented, regardless of the allegedreason, it will never be withdrawn and the cost will only go up, sothey can spend more of our dollars against us, never for us, followedby striped bass stamps, bluefish stamps, porgy stamps, etc.
Nothing will come of the saltwater license, except another source for corrupted spending, by NYS' politicians. Yes, I expect they will ram it down our throats, this year, because they control both legislative houses and the governor's office.
There's no one to stop them. That doesn't mean we should tell them we agree or help them!
Gary
update Jan 7~ I've posted a reply to the NYSCC letter below.
Gary Hungerford makes some realistic points. I've also added a link to Magnuson Act; however I can not locate the Supreme court comments.
bpb
Hello all concerned sportsmen.
As everyone has heard, we are facing some major cuts in the programs and staff that DEC provides for us through the Conservation Fund. Much of the funding for the Conservation Fund comes from the fees we spend on hunting, fishing and trapping licenses, and the federal dollars that are returned from federal taxes on equipment we buy, with some money also coming from the General Fund. This year there is less money coming in from the General Fund, which is adding to the deficit in the Conservation Fund.
In previous years there was talk of license fee increases, which the NYSCC opposed because of lack of support in the Legislature to lower the age to hunt big game. In 2008 this legislation passed, and now 14 and 15 years old can hunt big game.
I anticipated a proposal by DEC for license fee increases, which did not occur. Instead, the Governor's office and Budget and Finance decided to do away with the pheasant program, even though it brought in millions of dollars. Hopefully we can get money set up in a dedicated account to protect the pheasant program in future years. I have meetings set up with the hopes of saving the pheasant program for this year.
In the Governor's budget bills, there is also language to create a $10 trout and salmon stamp that would be required of everyone who will fish waters that are listed as trout waters. This would not be so bad - IF the money went into a special account for raising and stocking trout and salmon; at least we would have a means of protecting the fish hatcheries.
The $19 marine recreational fishing license will put New York State in compliance with federal regulations requiring a registry of all marine recreational anglers; but in the Governor's budget bill, nothing would go back to the marine district. Also, anyone fishing the Hudson River up to the Troy dam would need that marine license. Adding that to the cost of a freshwater license totals $38.
Capital projects money from the EPF for repairs to the fish hatcheries has been cut from $5 million to $1.5 million, and probably will be cut more.
At the January 3rd Board of Directors' meeting of the NYSCC, the Directors agreed that these issues could not wait until the NYSCC's Legislative Meeting in March. The Board voted as follows:
1- To support a reasonable increase in license fees;
2- To support the Trout and Salmon stamp, with monies dedicated to the maintenance and staffing of fish hatcheries and the stocking of fish; and to change the wording to "State stamp required when angling for and in possession of trout or salmon";
3- To support the creation of a pheasant stamp, with the money dedicated to raising and/ or purchasing pheasants and the stocking of pheasants on lands open to hunting by sportsmen;
4- To support the marine fishing license, with a couple of changes: $6 to go into the Conservation Fund to cover costs incurred, with the remainder going into the marine account. Also, a combination license at $29 should be offered;
5- To support the bottle bill: add a 5-cent deposit on non-carbonated beverage containers, with all unclaimed container return money going to the EPF;
I hope everyone can support these measures, so that we can keep our programs intact.
Please send me your comments.
Yours in Conservation,
Harold L. Palmer
President
New York State Conservation Council, Inc.
607-638-9013
==================================================
From: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCOPEny/post?postID=fjZDf9ZUCxX10w4ooCYqrVVDGYJiYryvRApAXLsobyU6fOXUbko5xHCsjJbHy9-ptcd86cOg1QlYsicTo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCOPEny/post?postID=bCxO7P1qB3fHb6WZ6t-7KXs_vtUNcCaZNOLGipbjQTAIhJtHogye0UEQT9mZ41UfZC6Ln1zVBasLP5Kg34BJ2IkSent: 1/6/2009 11:37:11
A.M. Eastern Standard TimeSubj: NYSCC position on fee/license increases
Harold:
I've just finished reading your column, in the January edition of the Grass Roots News.I find I must take significant exception, to many of the things you support and, thru you, NYSCC supports.
Please let me clarify one item, since you don't seem to beaware of it. It was not Patterson, who decided to shut down theReynold's Game Farm.
The decision came from Judith Enck, the anti-conservationist, pro-tree-hugger, who has wanted to be rid of it andall similar programs, for as long as she has been aware of them.You ask what you can OFFER the governor, to save the pheasantprogram. You can't offer him anything! He agrees with Enck. Bothunderstand that the cost of the program is returned, many times over,thru license fees and taxes. They don't care. It's their excuse toeliminate another element of hunting, in NYS.You support the $10 salmon/trout stamp.
How can you? If youaccept this, what's coming next? Separate stamps, for each of crappie, walleye, pike, pickerel, pumpkinseed, smallmouth bass,largemouth bass, etc.?
It will never end, until they have made thesport financially impossible, for all except those with private lakes or the money to pay $500~$1,000, annually, to fish in freshwater.If they get away with that one, there will be deer stamps,antler stamps, bear stamps, moose stamps, turkey stamps, etc.
You support the saltwater fishing license, accepting theargument that, if NYS doesn't do it, the feds will do it. You know that argument doesn't hold water. You and I have been thru the details of the Magnuson Act and the Supreme Court ruling about how,when and why the feds can create databases, as well as the fact that the feds must provide funding for it, if they want it and if they can, constitutionally, justify it, which they can't.
NYS is just using what they know to be an illegally required database as their excuse, to steal more tax money, while reducing thenumber of anglers. Once implemented, regardless of the allegedreason, it will never be withdrawn and the cost will only go up, sothey can spend more of our dollars against us, never for us, followedby striped bass stamps, bluefish stamps, porgy stamps, etc.
Nothing will come of the saltwater license, except another source for corrupted spending, by NYS' politicians. Yes, I expect they will ram it down our throats, this year, because they control both legislative houses and the governor's office.
There's no one to stop them. That doesn't mean we should tell them we agree or help them!
Gary
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