Thursday, March 14, 2013

GOP Ready To Cave On Gun Control


 A friend forwarded this email to me and I felt it shows a better opinion of where the long time firearms owners stand. VerSus the BS polls we keep reading about. As far as my thoughts, the GOP is dead to me. I don't ever remember being a registered R not in the last 30 odd years anyway. I registered as an conservative only because we don't have a patriot party.  The NY conservative party has left me/us hanging all on one issue which is abortion. NY lost 3 seats in Nov. 2012 elction cycle. We all know who dropped the soap on those.
Anyway read on.
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http://www.captainsjournal.com/2013/03/11/gop-ready-to-cave-on-gun-control/Yesterdayl

GOP Ready To Cave On Gun Control

BY Herschel Smith
[] 13 hours, 9 minutes ago

Ammoland has two extremely depressing reports. We already knew that
Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan were pretend conservatives with plans to cave on universal background checks. This first report makes it sound even worse.

[The] Republican Majority Leader is leading the charge to cut a deal with President Obama.

The following are just some of the threats to innocent school children and our God-given 2nd Amendment liberties that Republicans are about to shove down our throats:

1.The NRA is cutting backroom deals to centralize gun owner data collection into the Obama/Holder massive government data base.

A centralized system is less costly to fight and far more lucrative for the NRA to appear to be “fixing“.

Like all establishment political lobbies the key to their job security is assisting in making problems they end up being called upon to “fix“.

2. Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor is leading the charge to give Obama and Holder what they want in exchange for appearing to be “fixing” the problem of innocent children being butchered in our public and private schools.

3. Newly appointed Republican Judiciary Chairman, Bob Goodlatte R-VA 6th District, is providing political cover for the sneaky back room gun control deals and gun grabbing sell outs that his political masters - – John Boehner and Eric Cantor – - are cutting with Obama and his corrupt Attorney General, Eric Holder.

Political insiders have confirmed to me, that Goodlatte earned his brand new chairmanship by ignoring the constitutional demands and grievances of every Republican Unit Chairman in his own 6th district.













And for the second report.
You might think that with Republicans in control of the US House of Representatives there would be no way ANY gun control legislation could reach the floor.

But sadly we are already beginning to see so-called “conservative champions” folding to pressure from the anti-gun media to sell-out gun owners.

Former Vice Presidential candidate, Congressman Paul Ryan, has stated that he would support legislation that bans private sales at gun shows.

In the House, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, along with the help of Rep. Scott Rigell (VA), Patrick Meehan (PA) and others, have stated openly that they will work together with anti-gun Democrats from Maryland and New York to tighten restrictions on private firearms sales and expand background checks.

Possibly even more upsetting has been Senator Tom Coburn’s willingness to work alongside anti-gunner Chuck Schumer (NY) to propose “bi-partisan” anti-gun legislation in the Senate.

Make no mistake, so-called “expansion” of background checks is little more than a blatant attempt by anti-gunners to register all firearms and gun owners in America.

That is why Representatives Steve Stockman (TX-36) and Paul Broun (GA-10) have drafted a letter to Speaker Boehner and the Republican leadership urging them to require the support of the majority of Republican members in the House before bringing any anti-gun bills to the floor.

This so-called “Hastert Rule” would mean that 117 Republicans would have to support a particular bill before it had any chance of getting a floor vote, not just the support of the anti-gun elitist in leadership.













Such political ploys would be unnecessary if the GOP weren’t filled with such weasels. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of these reports, but I have followed Cantor and Ryan for a while now on firearms freedoms and gun rights, and it doesn’t surprise me in the least.

It’s fascinating that the GOP leadership would be willing to sacrifice their careers on the altar of political correctness. And it will cost them their careers. I don’t know how else to say it other than to keep repeating myself. The gun owners who recently waited in lines for three or more hours to pay exorbitant prices for guns were not repeat buyers (long time gun owners like me already had most of the firearms we wanted and so we are purchasing ammunition now). They were first time buyers.

I’ve watched them at the ranges. I have overheard their conversations, I have watched them at the gun stores and
gun shows. I have heard their relatively ignorant questions (not ignorant because they’re stupid, but because they’re in the process of learning). They are not us. We already have guns. These are new gun owners. The polls they are trotting out to show the number of gun owners decreasing are all lies.

I don’t know whether the questions aren’t being honestly answered or what other source there could be for the error. But the polls are in error.
Don’t believe them. And as for older gun owners like me, and even the newer gun owners like I have monitored for the past half year, we have made it clear with our voices and wallets. No new gun laws. None. Period. Not one more inch. Not one.

Is this so hard to understand? Note to legislators. Tread carefully. Don’t cross lines from which there is no return.
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  1. On March 11, 2013 at 10:48 pm, Orion said: You seriously think there is some definable difference between the two factions of the criminal cartel that runs this country?
  2. I mean, really – you actually believe that even ONE of those folks in DC somehow, in some portion of their being, has YOUR interests at heart, or that of the country as a whole (other than as a cash cow for themselves)??
  3. I’m sorry – I find that funny.
  4. Orion
  5. On March 11, 2013 at 11:13 pm, Vickie said: I learned last year not to believe the polls. By the way, I’m a first time gun owner (within last few months) and so is my daughter and my son. I took a CCW class, with 50 others in the class. Most of them appeared to be first time owners too.
  6. On March 11, 2013 at 11:16 pm, J Smith said: Now we see what all that ammunition and MRAPs are for at Homeland security. Pretty handy things to have if you want to disarm a nation. Gun registration is the first step that lets you know where they are.
  7. On March 11, 2013 at 11:19 pm, Rob Crawford said: Polls are lies. That is their job ­ to convince people of a lie by claiming everyone else believes it. They are the bandwagon fallacy dressed up in a lab coat and armed with a calculator ­ but they are still a fallacy.
  8. On March 11, 2013 at 11:28 pm, Henry said: As a matter of fact, I just finished writing emails to McCain and Flake telling them that they had better get the message across to the GOP that this is their last chance. If they screw this up, I’m voting Libertarian or Tea Party in the future. To hell with the Republican party. What good have they done me?
  9. On March 11, 2013 at 11:38 pm, John Smith said: If anything comes out of the house related to gun control, I’m going full on libtard from now on. I’ll be supporting Democrats with my money and my time for rest of my days. Can we destroy what’s left of this country? Yes we can.
  10. I dare them.
  11. On March 12, 2013 at 12:22 am, DrBayattheMoon said: Sorry John…As an Oathkeeper, I’m going the other way. No man or woman, R or D, has the power to limit or eliminate my God given Rights as enumerated in the bill of Rights. Any plan to require registration will meet non-compliance. They will create tens of thousands of felons and then we may as well have the “War of Liberal Aggression”. We’re ready…I don’t think they are. III/0317
  12. On March 12, 2013 at 12:31 am, Briggsy said: Golly you guys. You act like the American Civil War never happened. You know? The one for which men took up arms to resist the “tyranny” of the abolition of slavery? A Covenant of Appomattox has been in place ever since, rendering the Second Amendment quite entirely moot. There can be no such thing as a right of access to the means of convenient murder, depriving people of all their genuine rights at the whim of a shooter.
  13. On March 12, 2013 at 12:34 am, Wyatt Wingfoot said: The G.O.P. = Grovelling Old Pussies.
  14. On March 12, 2013 at 12:42 am, Kirk Parker said: Briggsy,
  15. One more time, in English this time, please?
  16. On March 12, 2013 at 12:45 am, Dale Franks said: They’re not going to “cross lines from which there is no return”, because there is no such line. People will grumble, and do nothing. No one is going to give up their cushy American life to run around in the hills with a rifle raising an army. People will complain…and comply.
  17. Whatever the Founders had that made them start an armed rebellion against relatively trivial parliamentary taxation is gone now.
  18. On March 12, 2013 at 12:48 am, haiku guy said: This here is the line If Republicans cross it, They are dead to me

  19. On March 12, 2013 at 1:39 am, Balthar said: Google “Covenant of Appomattox” (with quotation marks). Forty (40) results. Hardly a key term in American History.
  20. Of the 40 mentions, 36 or so appear to be by Briggsy (under various names, including one David Briggs). The other few (including the first link), come from a 1919 book entitled “Memorials of Dixieland”. The passage in question is… rather different than any sentiment Briggsy has espoused:
  21. Fighting for principle is a virtually holy calling, and the South did not fight the Civil War to perpetuate slavery, but to preserve the Constitutional “birthright of self-government and home rule!”
  22. One may not agree with the viewpoint of this book, but it is considerably more intellectually and historically honest than anything Mr. Briggs is spamming across the ‘net.
  23. On March 12, 2013 at 3:01 am, Scott M said: The GOP should already be politically dead to all conservatives, not just become politically dead IF (pronounced ‘when’) they sell out on gun laws. Just a few week after ObamaCare was rammed down the throats of US House which caused the GOP to regain the majority in the House, John Boehner and David Drier conspired to defeat Cong Steve King’s “not one dollar nor one Federal employee shall be used to implement ObamaCare” amendment in the GOP controlled House Rules Committee. Let me repeat that. The GOP had a majority of votes in the House Riles Committee and a majority on the House floor and the Speaker and Chairman of House Rules Committee would not allow CONSIDERATION of an amendment which would block all of ObamCare.
  24. John Boehner and the other RINOS know how to play hardball, they do it routinely to thwart Conservatives. And these people would not even risk a vote which could have overturned ObamaCare before one dollar was spent to implement it.
  25. I beg all who read this that keep thinking “IF the GOP crosses a line then I will do something about it” to recognize the RINO-led GOP routinely crosses red lines and routinely helps the commielibs to advance socialism. Stop waiting for some future sellout before you act and recognize they are already worthy of your action to replace them. Stop waiting for something else to happen and implement the action you will do if they go too far. They already have gone too far and they are immune from all of the complaints and analysis from Conservative Talk Radio. The RINO-led GOP keeps selling us out because they receive nothing but our talk in response to their actions.
  26. On March 12, 2013 at 4:03 am, Kirk Parker said: Balthar: Ah, DNFTT. Mea culpa.
  27. On March 12, 2013 at 5:04 am, jeff said: Yep. First time gun owner here. Bought a 22 rifle in January to learn on. There is fear in the air.
  28. On March 12, 2013 at 5:08 am, stargazer said: Time to make our peace with God. There is no more making peace with any political party. There is no truth to be heard from any political ‘leadership.’ They are only the locusts of old biblical Egypt. A plague of flies. They are God’s judgment on America.
  29. And, for those of you not of a spiritual nature, perhaps this is fitting: Everything that has a beginning has an ending. Make your peace with that and all will be well. – The Buddha

  30. On March 12, 2013 at 5:33 am, egoist said: Meanwhile, these wizards (in congress that actually spend the money) need 16,700 x 1,000,000 dollars just to elevate the treasury to the status of flat broke. Before they start destroying vestiges of inherited brilliance from the generations prior to their arrival, you’d think they’d try to fix some of the stuff they have already ruined in their own lifetime.
  31. On March 12, 2013 at 7:37 am, Joe Blough said: Check your math, egoist. You’re off by a factor of 1000, that’s by 1000x. Notwithstanding the math mistake, the real obligations are way up toward 200 trillion dollars ($200,000,000,000,000), meaning the amount of money that could cover the promises implied in pension plans, SS, Medicair/aid and all that. What that means is ~ 17 trillion bucks would get us back to flat broke, but it’d take ~ 10 x that much money to be truly solvent, meaning Fedzilla could cover the ponzi schemes it has set up under taxpayers’ approval.
  32. As to the Capt’n's original point, what Orion said. Not 5 % of these people have any intention of helping you get any freedoms back, so it’s not going to happen peacefully.
  33. On March 12, 2013 at 7:45 am, W_B said: If they cave on this last election is the last Republicans I will vote for and I will never, ever vote for a Democrat. I’ve voted R since Nixon but this will be the last straw for me.
  34. On March 12, 2013 at 8:16 am, Mannie said: Not voting for them is not enough. They should be hounded out of office. It’s a shame it’s illegal to hang them from lampposts.
  35. On March 12, 2013 at 8:48 am, Gayle said: GUYS! You’re looking in the wrong spot. Two new state houses (UT and ID) voted to nullify unconstitutional federal gun laws. It’s happening all across the country.
  36. DC is DEAD. Get involved in your state’s politics. Help your state to JUST SAY NO.

  37. http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/2013/02/13/words-dont-matter-actions-do/
  38. On March 12, 2013 at 9:06 am, TheFaz said: I love all the hysterics over a couple of stories with no verifiable sources. This sounds like a GOA member or one of the other more stringent groups (JPFO, etc) who is pushing the “NRA sellout” meme that they’ve used in the past. So far I’ve seen no indication of a sellout by any of the gun groups, with the exception of one of the attorneys in the Heller case, who ironically were idolized by the NRA-haters for his very laudable efforts in the case and has now come out in favor of assault weapons bans and other restrictions.
  39. Second topic, ancedote does not equal evidence when it comes to new gun owners. If there were a million new firearms owners (and there may have been) in the recent rush after Newtown, that would increase the percentage of gun owners in this country by less than one percent. We can ignore these statistics showing a long-term downward trend or we can accept there may be some basis to them and work to reverse the trend. Honestly given the 30+ year attack on firearms and stigmatization of guns and gun owners, is it that surprising the propaganda campaign may have had an impact? It’s a no-lose proposition to reach out and add new people/groups to our cause.

  40. On March 12, 2013 at 9:17 am, punditius said: I don’t own a gun. I have no present need for a gun. I have no particular interest in owning a gun.
  41. But I understand that private ownership of guns is one of the things that stands between us and a police state.
  42. I’m not talking about a full-fledged storm troopers kind of thing. What I mean is more low level. Right now, the possibility that the occupants of a house may have a gun is something that keeps the police from doing what they are already doing on the streets – stopping, questioning, frisking anyone who gets their attention, or just to demonstrate their authority.
  43. Our federal government has gotten too heavily armed on the domestic side. DHS wants to extend its police authority to busses and trains. Customs asserts that it can stop suspected illegals and search them and their possessions without a warrant, miles and miles from any border. The Department of Education and other non-police agencies are reported to have SWAT teams.
  44. In short, the federal government is arming itself in a domestic fashion, not one geared at fighting any foreign enemy. This needs to be stopped, but in the meanwhile, the fact of widespread private gun ownership will at least give the agents of this “soft” police state we are already living in some pause.
  45. At some point, it might become a necessity, or even a duty, for people like me to own a gun. But for the moment, I’m happy that there are a lot of people who want to own them, and do. In the meanwhile, when & if the Republicans cave on this issue, I’ll do what I can to relieve them of major party status.
  46. On March 12, 2013 at 9:39 am, Herschel Smith said: punditius,
  47. If you have loved ones at home, or even if you’re alone and need defending, it’s your duty to provide for your self defense anyway.

  48. http://www.captainsjournal.com/2012/09/25/christians-the-second-amendment-and-the-duty-of-self-defense/

  49. Gayle,
  50. If the states enforce a no-enforcement of all upcoming federal laws, from bans on magazines to bans on guns, to bans on universal background checks and everything else coming, then so be it. That includes making state LEOs arrest and imprison federal agents attempting to enforce federal laws. If this doesn’t happen, then the states are as culpable as the communists inside the beltway.
  51. On March 12, 2013 at 10:32 am, Oldfart said: Folks, what got us to this point? That’s right, it was voting. How long did it take us to get to here? Anyone? Right again – over two hundred years. Now which of you is willing to wait another two hundred years to see things straightened out? No one? I know it’s now accepted history that the Civil War was fought over slavery but the real reason was the fact that the northern ststes were ripping off the south in trade issues so the South exercised their supposed right to secede – just like the original 13 colonies did with Great Britain. Lincold didn’t much like that idea so he trotted out the army to enforce his views. Now we “gunnies” – scattered all over the country – want to “secede” in our own way and the government – regardless of who is in the oval office – won’t much like that. So they’re trotting out the army. Only now we have a pesky law in place called “Posse Comitatus” that makes it more difficult for them. So they’ve come up with a civilian version of the army that is just as well armed and financed as the regular army. We scattered “gunnies” have to find some way to either bluff that army and the government agencies behind it into standing down or we’ll have to defeat it militarily. Notice I didn’t say anything about voting them out. We’re not going to vote ourselves out of this mess. Get used to that idea.

  52. On March 12, 2013 at 10:36 am, Michael Hill said: Politics as usual will not hold the answer for this problem. We Southerners have an answer here: http://www.dixienet.org
  53. On March 12, 2013 at 10:42 am, Bill Harzia said: Tell me again why I gave money to the NRA all these years?
  54. On March 12, 2013 at 11:31 am, George B said: Make it abundantly clear that any Republican leader that caves on gun control will lose to a primary challenger in 2014. Maybe conservatives can run informal online pre-primaries to select a single strong challenger in each race. Each voter pays $5 to vote, credit card security IDs the voter and helps determine geographic eligibility, and the winner of the pre-primary gets all the $5 donations for that race.
  55. Instead of trying to make a database of lawful gun owners who buy and sell guns sans dealer, how about a public database of criminals not allowed to buy guns and ammunition? I doubt that there is much overlap between normal private gun buyers and criminals, but why not let private gun sellers know who is not allowed to buy?
  56. On March 12, 2013 at 11:32 am, Bill said: When I joined them I explicitly stated that I joined because they started showing some spine.
  57. If they cave on this, it’s over. Because they’re no longer a net good.
  58. Since joining, I’ve noticed a steady stream of advertising coming from the NRA to email and snail mail. “Join this group, pay for this thing.” It’s like dealing with credit card companies all over again.
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