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22 K HORNET DIE by CH : Reloading Equipment at GunBroker.com

2012-01-19T22:34:00.000-05:00

22 K HORNET DIE by CH : BPBRS on gunbroker.com

http://youtu.be/mgINPnEM3BE

3rd annual legislative awareness Sportsmen's Day in Albany

2012-01-12T19:03:00.000-05:00

This will be the third annual event. Groups from all over the state will go to Albany to visit our legislators and listen to a few speaches.

Buses will be leaving from across the state so we can arrive on time. This also reduces an individuals cost as you pay one fee.
I'll try to keep this thread up near the top as groups report in whit bus details. I'll also compile a list and post it n my blog as time permits @ WWW.BLACKPOWDERBILL.COM
http://www.scopeny.org/ has buses leaving from Western ,NY.

SCOPE also has a way to purchase your ticket on line in advance.
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3rd Annual Sportsman & Legislative Awareness Day

Oswego and Onondaga County Federations are organizing a bus to the event. Pick-ups are from Pulaski (Tractor Supply/McDonalds Parking lot) at 5:30am and Cicero Gander Mountain at 6:00am.The bus will be departing Albany approximately 2pm for the return trip.

Sportsmen and Women that are members of Oswego or Onondaga County Federation affiliates can sign up for free, others will be asked to make a donation of $20 to help cover the cost.

Contact Rick McDermott for details and to reserve a seat. tughillmcd@yahoo.com (315) 882-1540

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The GCFS has secured a 47-passenger bus for the third annual Sportsmen and Outdoor Recreation Legislative Awareness Day, held at the State Legislative Office Building in Albany on March 20.
According to Coons, the bus is scheduled to leave the Hunter Bus Company parking lot in Coxsackie at 8 a.m., leaving the LOB at 2 p.m. The cost is $10 per person which will also cover a tip for the driver. Should the passenger limit fill up fast, Coons said he would order a 55-passenger bus if one is available. To reserve a seat(s) contact Coons at 518-943-0644 or email to hankcoons@mhcable.com.
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Elmer LeSure is coordinating a bus trip departing from the Hudson Valley area as well for the Federated Sportsmens Clubs of Ulster County.
Elmer LeSuer
2nd VP
elmer@georgecoleauctions.com
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Regards,
BPB SCOPE Director @ Large
NYS Muzzle-Loaders Association President
On GunBroker.com as BPBRS
FaceBook as BlackPowderBill

Smith & Wesson i-Bolt 30-06 Shipping Included! : Bolt Action Rifles at GunBroker.com

2012-01-07T20:45:00.000-05:00

Smith & Wesson i-Bolt 30-06 Shipping Included! : For sale by BlackPowderBill

$425.00

Public Advocate Calls For Ban On Food Stamp Fingerprinting - NY1.com

2012-01-07T17:31:00.000-05:00

Public Advocate Calls For Ban On Food Stamp Fingerprinting - NY1.com

So, is this also true for firearms owners who have to give fingerprints & get statements from friends. have your friends interview by the government when you apply for a handgun permit???? !!!!! Hey owning a firearm is an right ,public assistant isn't.

ANNUAL SPORTSMEN & OUTDOOR RECREATION LEGISLATIVE AWARENESS DAY

2012-01-06T17:43:00.000-05:00

FYI: I'll update this blog as groups report in. BPB

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I am coordinating a bus trip departing from the Hudson Valley area as well for the Federated Sportsmens Clubs of Ulster County.

Elmer LeSuer
2nd VP
elmer@georgecoleauctions.com
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3RD ANNUAL SPORTSMEN & OUTDOOR RECREATION LEGISLATIVE AWARENESS DAY
WITH SPECIAL GUEST SPEAKER WAYNE LAPIERRE
The 3rd Annual Sportsmen & Outdoor Recreation Legislative Awareness
Day has been set for Tuesday, March 20, 2012 from 9:00am to 1:00pm in
the "Well" of the State Legislative Office Building in Albany. The
keynote address will be given by NRA-EVP Wayne LaPierre.

SCOPE will once again be sponsoring bus transportation for FREEDOM- LOVING NEW YORKERS.

Spread the word at your Clubs and Organizations and make sure your club is represented in Albany.
If you can't participate you can donate to help send others.
Check the SCOPE Website for details of the busses.

Reserve a Buffalo or Rochester bus ticket by clicking here Leaveing from Buffalo and Rochester

Revolver? How about a .327 magnum!

2012-01-01T13:48:00.000-05:00

I started looking for a revolver to carry besides my Ruger sp101 in 38+p as it's to bulky.

And I'm not a big pistol fan.

.327 Federal Magnum

I noticed a few manufactures offering the .327 mag. it is a 32 cal in magnum form. This little power house offers 3 different cartridges you can use. 32 S&W, 32 H&R mag and the latest 327m.

Charter Arms and Taurus offer them and they'd no doubt the be the least expensive of the manufactures. I see wholesale they are asking just below the $300.00 mark so if you can find one used in that price range snatch it up. A new retail revolver should go for a realistic $350.00.

The .327m cartridge never caught on, but many folks use the 32 H&R mag for steel target work.

wiki has a good write up on the .327 cartridge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.327_Federal_Magnum

I have a 32-20 Savage rifle and it is a nice light recoiling cartridge. You load it with a 85 or 95 h
Hornady XTP and it makes one nice light deer rifle cartridge,as well as a great small game stopper when loaded with cast bullets. Yea I know, some folks are going to whine the 32-20 is in-adequate for deer. IMO Folks who think like that are brain washed anyway. Like the ones who think a 222 or 223 is to light for deer.
Why kill yourself or a new shooter by offering them your manly man gun.

I'd take a 32-20 in a revolver and be just as happy. The only advantage I see, (that is for me); between the two, is the .327 is a straight wall case and reloading is easier over the 30-20 thin neck bottlenecked case.

Regards, BPB
On www.gunbroker.com as BPBRS

The MF Global Collapse Explained (And Why It Is a Crime)

2011-12-30T11:54:00.001-05:00

By: Fred N. Sauer

As a test of your thinking, how would you like to invest in this, as described in Wikipedia?
...2005 saw Man Financial make its largest deal with the transformative $323 million acquisition of client assets and accounts from entities of Refco, following the U.S. financial-services group's collapse in late 2005. The Refco deal...boosted Man Financial's scale in retail and institutional business.
In June 2007, Man Financial was spun off from Man Group as a separate, public entity, via an IPO, and renamed MF Global.
Read more: Long read~

MF Global history from NLPC.org

The hearty ingredients of Canis soup

2011-12-30T06:29:00.000-05:00

The hearty ingredients of Canis soup

Frank DuBoisat New Mexico Federal Lands Council- 1 day ago

The wolf is iconic and charismatic. We see him on t-shirts, on posters, and in fantasy novels. Conservationists do battle with ranchers to preserve populations of wolves. The coyote, on the other hand, is neither iconic nor loved. A newcomer to suburbia, he is feared as a suspected predator of cats, small dogs, and even small children. He is rarely seen on t-shirts; his name is not used to designate a rank of Boy Scout.
But now that we have the genetic tools to look at these animals’ genomes,
it turns out that many of the populations of coyotes in North America are
actually coyote-w...more »
NEW MEXICO FEDERAL LANDS COUNCIL http://nmflc.blogspot.com/

Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here 2002 Ben Bernankee

2011-12-28T17:33:00.001-05:00

Remarks by Governor Ben S. Bernanke
Before the National Economists Club, Washington, D.C.
November 21, 2002 Deflation: Making Sure "It" Doesn't Happen Here

Ben Bernanke speech 2002

However, a deflationary recession may differ in one respect from "normal" recessions in which the inflation rate is at least modestly positive: Deflation of sufficient magnitude may result in the nominal interest rate declining to zero or very close to zero.² Once the nominal interest rate is at zero, no further downward adjustment in the rate can occur, since lenders generally will not accept a negative nominal interest rate when it is possible instead to hold cash. At this point, the nominal interest rate is said to have hit the "zero bound."

Deflation great enough to bring the nominal interest rate close to zero poses special problems for the economy and for policy. First, when the nominal interest rate has been reduced to zero, the real interest rate paid by borrowers equals the expected rate of deflation, however large that may be.To take what might seem like an extreme example (though in fact it occurred in the United States in the early 1930s), suppose that deflation is proceeding at a clip of 10 percent per year. Then someone who borrows for a year at a nominal interest rate of zero actually faces a 10 percent real cost of funds, as the loan must be repaid in dollars whose purchasing power is 10 percent greater than that of the dollars borrowed originally. In a period of sufficiently severe deflation, the real cost of borrowing becomes prohibitive. Capital investment, purchases of new homes, and other types of spending decline accordingly, worsening the economic downturn.

Hit the link above to read the entire speech~

Ron Paul Campaigns in New Hampshire | C-SPAN

2011-12-27T19:21:00.000-05:00

Ron Paul Campaigns in New Hampshire C-SPAN

Jon Corzine and Barack Obama Ad

2011-12-27T17:42:00.000-05:00

Helped NJ and now the nation. WOW LMAO where's the MF money Jon that CME had backed????

VP Biden says he called Jon Corzine for advice

2011-12-27T17:40:00.000-05:00

Arron Russo's Freedom to Fascism

2011-12-27T16:22:00.001-05:00

This is a must watch video. It will explain how the income tax got it's start. One cold Christmas week the people were lied to.

Freedom to Fascism By Arron Russo

OMG another voice a former Ron Paul staffer speaks out.

2011-12-26T17:36:00.000-05:00

WHEW , had me worried for a second thought it was a comming out article. LOL

Lets thank the paper for letting the former staffer state that Ron Paul is not a racist. Here is the entire article in one paragraph~

Quote:
Dondero goes out of his way to say that Paul is not anti-Semitic or a racist. He said Paul has hired many black and Hispanic employees and “I never heard a racist word expressed towards Blacks or Jews come out of his mouth. Not once.” In fact, Paul’s current campaign spokesman, Gary Howard, is black.###

I thought we'd see a quote from RP that even Israel has stated they want to stand on their own.

Even Ollie North , Regan's former gun/drug runner stated they will have to stad on their own as long as OB1 is in office.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201105120039

OMG Rush even says OB1 is not a friend to Israel. We all now if Rush says it it's got to be the real deal!!! LOL
Quote:
Limbaugh: Obama has surrounded himself with "Jew-haters," "anti-Semites," Israel-haters###
Lets look at it this way, if the United States attacks Iran in another non-approved congressional attack. Then Iran will wipe Israel off the face of the earth.
www.blackpowderbill.com

If you have a few minutes you'd like to waste here is the entire article.
ex-aide-ron-paul-foreign-policy-sheer-lunacy

Colt Tactical CT143 Made in USA! : Fixed Blade Knives at GunBroker.com

2011-12-20T05:47:00.000-05:00

MADE IN USA!! Nice lock blade knife by Colt

Colt Tactical CT143 Made in USA! : Fixed Blade Knives at GunBroker.com

MTV Martial Law Commercial from 2009

2011-12-20T00:01:00.000-05:00

This video is from 2009 and only has 6,200 hits.

AA hulls once fired .07c each

2011-12-19T20:25:00.000-05:00

I purchased some reloading equipment and it came with a large box of 12 ga AA hulls. It is labled contains 1,000. It has been opened but I do not know how many are missing if any are.

I'm selling them for .07c each.

I'm in the Ontario ny area just south of Rt 104.
I can ship if you want 100-200 ect.

Send me an email at blackpowderbill@yahoo.com if you'd like to stop by and pick some or all of them up if you're in the area.
I also have access to more once fired hulls on a seasonal basis. (I saw about 20,000 stacked up last week.)

NYC sting shows Internet is used to sell illegal guns - NYPOST.com

2011-12-17T21:19:00.001-05:00

NYC sting shows Internet is used to sell illegal guns - NYPOST.com

Another sting CraigsList worst offender ays Bloomie! WAIT hold on, I thought firearms sales on Craigslist weren't allowed????

Describing it as a “24/7 field day for felons,” city officials reported yesterday that the Internet has become a prime source for illegal gun sales — and they provided videos from a sting operation to back up the claim. Mayor Bloomberg singled out Craigslist as the worst offender of 10 sites examined, with 14 of 17 gun sellers failing integrity tests.

“So Craigslist really needs to clean up its act,” the mayor said at City Hall, just two days after the killing of Officer Peter Figoski.Undercover operatives hired by the city contacted 125 private gun sellers in 14 states. Officials said 77, or 62 percent, agreed to make a sale even after being told the buyer couldn’t pass a federally mandated background check. see more videos One Ohio dealer shrugged off the requirement.

“I don’t know all the letters of the law, but I’m pretty sure if somebody said, ‘I can’t pass a background check,’ you’re not supposed to give it to them. But it’s OK. I would,” the seller said in a video played at City Hall. Asked if the sting exceeded the city’s authority and spent $290,000 inappropriately, the mayor responded: “Peter Figoski was our police officer. We didn’t overstep anything. If I had to spend double that money to save one police officer’s life, I would do it instantly.”Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/city_targets_wild_west_web_gun_sales_oTaPAgRVPwdGhqrCIT9fOL#ixzz1gqgVv83P

BBP was correct, crap floats and realtors prove it.

2011-12-14T12:13:00.000-05:00

I stood in a Walworth town hall meeting 15+- year ago and told those present the present real estate market is being increase 6% per year. I then said, this is a a false figure. The zoning and tax collector along with one realtor on the board said is wasn't.

Bailout Payback? Realtors Double-Count Home Sales For Five Years

(CNBC) Data on sales of previously owned U.S. homes from 2007 through October this year will be revised down next week because of double counting, indicating a much weaker housing market than previously thought.

bailout-payback-realtors-double-counted-home-sales-for-last-five-years

In 2011, Forbes’ 23rd ‘Most Powerful Woman In The World’, HHS Secretary, Kathleen Sebelius was caught double-counting in the ObamaCare budget. Since then, the scandal has been ‘forgotten‘ – deep sixed.

Long shot, I know… but it’s as if Kathleen Sebelius, Goldman Sachs, GE, GM, Solyndra, Verizon, Toyota, National Association of Realtors and so many others knew all along there would be zero penalty for cooking the books.

Try double-counting your tax write-off’s

Fill er up at BP folks. A lesson in Eastern history.

2011-12-10T03:23:00.001-05:00

Today's lesson in history.
This is a must read.
First we stage a coup in Iran because of communisim so the British told the Eisenhower administration. Truman threw the Brits out of his office because, America doesn't stage the over throw of another government.
Wait ~hold on~commies = British oil that's it, the oil. Kermit Roosevelt was the CIA planner. WOW here's a kid who couldn't fill his GrandDad's left shoe. Fast forward to 2011 & we find them Iranians have nukes. No their commies~Wait the oil.
After the big win, no commies were found. Kind-a like weapons of mass distruction ain't it?
Hum, her's another familiar name,US General Norman Schwarzkopf, Sr. NOOOOOOO WAY! DAD is that you? AND his job was? Helping the new Shaw create the secret police the Savak.
Ya know keeping the commies out and all that.
The Shaw held his country in a not so nice fashion untill the Islamic revolution of 1979. So the line to hatred against the United States was started by? The British , they lacked the balls to do it on their own.
All these problems we face today draw a line right back to the UK. Fill er up at BP folks~today!
Cause when the SHTF in Iran you can count on walking. The last 2 fuel shortages were BS hoaxes, this one will be real.

SCOPE NY AG dog & pony show

2011-12-09T19:25:00.000-05:00

SCOPE has committed to an initial grant of $1000 from our legal defense fund. Despite what the news reports are saying, none of those arrested where dealers, none of them paid for tables. All where walk-ins to the shows. The promoters who are being targeted by the attorney general's office obeyed all applicable laws. They had all required signage notifying attendees of the shows that any transaction required a NICS check. In every case thepromoters provided a station to get your NICS check done, with prominent signage.
SCOPE does not support those who knowingly break the law, as seems to be the case from all the reports I've seen. We do not object to the law being enforced in a uniform objective manor, however it is clear that the attorney general's office is less interested in the prosecution of these individuals then they are in using this as a political stunt to

1.Advocate for greater restrictions on the law abiding gun owners and sportsmen, and
this is even more insidious,

2.To force legitimate businessmen out of the gun show business and close down all gun shows in the state.
Our support for NFC Shows is not only because they are SCOPE members with a history of supporting SCOPE and gun rights in NY, but more importantly, because if we allow them to shut them down and run them out of business then we allow them to restrict access for everyone, and push their anti-rights agenda. The next step would be to ban all private transfers. This must be stopped now, or the restrictions will continue, until we have no rights left at all.

Please request support for the SCOPE legal defense fund. We will need a lot more assets to continue to fight this across the state and into next year.

President
Stephen J Aldstadt
(716) 846-5448

SCOPENY is a non profit 100% Volunteer "Civil Rights Organization", looking out for Gun Owners Rights in New York State.

Please join or renew the $20 annual membership fee today.

For about the cost of a box of ammo you can help SCOPE help you.

Join or Renew Today!
http://scopeny.org/join-scope.html

BATFE Leadership inept!

2011-12-07T19:16:00.000-05:00

Quote:
David Voth, a supervisor over Fast and Furious, warned complainers in an e-mail that they might wind up working as jail guards if they continued raising a fuss. He urged them to relish being part of a major case, writing, "If you don't think this is fun, you're in the wrong line of work -- period!"

The article makes me so sick I had to read it in several sessions. It's damn disgusting that today not one ATF or state department head has been removed and jailed. This shit of public employees at that level being able to walk away from an activity that would put me in jail for decades is bullshit.

BPB

Newt Gingrich is ANTI 2nd Amendment

2011-12-05T07:57:00.001-05:00

http://www.congress.org/soapbox/alert/57840506

Newt Gingrich is ANTI 2nd AmendmentPlease Read

This is from gunowners.org
If you wish to look it up go to your search engine

Enter in the search box Newt Gingrich on Guns: A Mixed Record

http://gunowners.org/newtgingrich-2012.htm

IT READS:

Title: Newt Gingrich on Guns: A Mixed Record

Written: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 08:18

Prior to the “Republican Revolution” of 1994, Rep. Newt Gingrich of Georgia had earned an A rating with Gun Owners of America. But that all changed in 1995, after Republicans were swept to power and Gingrich became Speaker of the House.

The Republicans gained the majority, thanks in large part to gun owners outraged by the Clinton gun ban. And upon taking the reins of the House, Speaker Gingrich said famously that, “As long as I am Speaker of this House, no gun control legislation is going to move in committee or on the floor of this House and there will be no further erosion of their rights.”

His promise didn’t hold up, however, and his GOA rating quickly dropped to well below the “C-level.” In 1996, the Republican-led Congress passed the “gun free school zones act,” creating criminal safe zones like Virginia Tech, where the only person armed was a murderous criminal. Speaker Newt Gingrich voted for the bill containing this ban.[1]

The same bill also contained the now infamous Lautenberg gun ban, which lowered the threshold for losing one’s Second Amendment rights to a mere misdemeanor.[2] Gun owners could, as a result of this ban, lose their gun rights forever for non-violent shouting matches that occurred in the home -- and, in many cases, lose their rights without a jury trial.

While a legislator might sometimes vote for a spending bill which contains objectionable amendments, that was clearly NOT the case with Newt Gingrich in 1996. Speaking on Meet the Press in September of that year, Speaker Gingrich said the Lautenberg gun ban was “a very reasonable position.”[3] He even refused to cosponsor a repeal of the gun ban during the next Congress -- despite repeated requests to do so.[4]

Also in 1996, Speaker Gingrich cast his vote for an anti-gun terror bill which contained several harmful provisions. For example, one of the versions he supported (in March of that year) contained a DeLauro amendment that would have severely punished gun owners for possessing a laser sighting device while committing an infraction as minor as speeding on a federal reservation.[5] (Not only would this provision have stigmatized laser sights, it would have served as a first step to banning these items.) Another extremely harmful provision was the Schumer amendment to “centralize Federal, State and Local police.”[6]

Final passage of H.R. 3610, Sept. 28, 1996 at: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll455.xml . Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX) warned his colleagues about the hidden dangers in H.R. 3610, and in regard to the Kohl ban, noted that it would “prohibit most persons from carrying unloaded firearms in their automobiles.”

See Gingrich’s vote at: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll455.xml .

[3] Associated Press, “Gingrich Favors Handgun Ban for Domestic Abuse Convicts,” Deseret News, Sept. 16, 1996. The full quote reveals how much Speaker Gingrich had adopted the anti-gunners’ line of thinking: “I'm very much in favor of stopping people who engage in violence against their spouses from having guns,” the Georgia Republican said Sunday on NBC's “Meet the Press.” “I think that's a very reasonable position.” But the fact that this gun ban covers misdemeanors in the home is primary evidence that NON-violent people have been subjected to lifetime gun bans for things like: shouting matches, throwing a set of keys in the direction of another person, spanking a child, etc.

[4] See H.R.1009, “States' Rights and Second and Tenth Amendment Restoration Act of 1997,” introduced by Rep. Helen Chenoweth (R-ID).

H.R. 2703, March 14, 1996 at: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll066.xml .
S. 735, April 18, 1996 at: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/1996/roll126.xml .

I wish in fairness to let you Republican Voters know Newt Gingrich record on your 2nd Amendment rights and to call your Senators at 2022243121 and ask them NICELY if Newt Becomes President would they support his record on your right to bear arms.

NY Gun Show bust Attorney General's press not all true

2011-12-04T19:09:00.000-05:00

Jim Buck and Bruce Johnson of NFC shows, both SCOPE members, have been subpoenaed by Schneiderman's office and are under investigation. None of the people arrested and charged were licensed dealers, contrary to what was printed in the Buffalo News. None of them rented tables for the show. And none of them are SCOPE members. This is a blatant attempt to put NFC Shows out of business and shut down gun shows in New York. We have met with Jim and Bruce and gave them several names or attorneys.

SCOPE BOD has also voted to assist with legal cost.

Please visit our web site and help by donating any amount you can.
Thanks BlackPowderBill
SCOPE Director

Muzzle Loader bullets 50 cal 385 gr 60 bullets : Black Powder / Muzzle loading at GunBroker.com

2011-11-25T15:35:00.000-05:00

Muzzle Loader bullets 50 cal 385 gr 60 bullets : Black Powder / Muzzle loading at GunBroker.com

MEC 650N 12 ga used great condition : Equipment at GunBroker.com

2011-11-25T14:33:00.000-05:00

MEC 650N 12 ga used great condition : Equipment at GunBroker.com

1958 Forecasts Economic Disaster from Collectivism & Socialism

2011-11-22T23:00:00.000-05:00

Ron Paul and the medias age hang-up & black-out!!

2011-11-21T14:42:00.000-05:00

Why is everyone is so fixated on congressman's Paul's age?
I was speaking with a friend today and he asked me who I'd vote for. I replied without hesitation Ron Paul. Who else would I vote for ? Mittens or Handy Herman the Federal reserve chairman?
People are worried about the borders yet they forget it was thier boy Klinton that signed NAFA and was elected to office with large union support. 6 months later the three,3 big union Presidents cried foul.
I told my friend that I plan on changing parties from Conservative to Republican so I can vote for Congressman Ron Paul in the primaries. I don't have a lot of confidence in either party. Paul is the only one who has a plan. He is the only one that can debate off the top of his head while the others can stay on topic.

Ronald Reagan was almost 70 years old when he was elected to his first term as President. He was born Feb 6 1911, and sworn in as President on Jan 20, 1981
Mittens is 65 Once Gov of Mass., need I say more to firearms owners!!
Handy Herman is 67 Federal reserve chairman in Kansas another wall street puppet.
Dick Perry is the kid @ 61 was a Demonrat then flipped to Republican so he's a true RINO
Hillary Clinton is 65 Yea sure, lets start a war.
Newt Gingrich 68 Had his chance to change things.

So stop worring about the borders not being funded. Stop worring about weed being legalised
Those you hear complaining about his military stance can't be real veterans, if they are at all. No military person wants to go to war for people who start them. The gays took over the military decades ago. The baby molesters are in your church,scouts,schools & government.
It's all bullshit people to distract you from the real world facts.

They stole your retirement,wages,jobs,401k's,food,firearms and freedom And you tell me you want to vote for the same ol shit again?

Goverment drug and gun runners.
Wake up!

Stop supporting them!

Gerald Celente - Financial Sense Newshour - 19 Nov 2011

2011-11-20T20:59:00.000-05:00

Get your money out so it's in YOUR hand. Don't let them take your 401k!!

House passes HR822 handgun carry

2011-11-16T12:34:00.000-05:00

House passes HR822 handgun carry

Chronic failures of the Nassau County crime lab!

2011-11-15T05:42:00.000-05:00

Inspector general finds systemic failures in Nassau Crime Lab procedures, management and oversight

ALBANY - New York State Inspector General Ellen Biben Thursday released an investigative report that found systemic problems at the Nassau County Police Department’s Forensic Evidence Bureau went largely undetected, ignored, or were not properly addressed due to failures at all levels of the lab’s management and oversight – from the laboratory itself, up through the Nassau County Police Department, Nassau County leadership, and ultimately the agency charged with forensic laboratory oversight in New York State, the Commission on Forensic Science.

The Inspector General’s investigation – conducted as per Governor Andrew Cuomo’s February 25, 2011 Executive Order which directed the Inspector General to investigate the oversight and operation of the crime lab – found these compound failures enabled a substandard lab to operate for far too long.

The report found that since its creation in 2003, the lab suffered from weak leadership, a dysfunctional quality management system, analysts with inconsistent training and qualifications, and outdated and incomplete testing equipment and procedures. As a result, in a four-year period, the lab was twice placed on probation by a private accrediting agency, a sanction unprecedented among forensic laboratories in New York State.

“The chronic failures of the Nassau County crime lab deprived Nassau County, the criminal justice system, and the public of their right to have complete and unfettered confidence in forensic testing,” said Biben. “We have recommended an expanded review of the lab’s results – along with other recommendations - to restore that confidence.”

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Let the lawsuits begin~ bpb

Stop Accepting Nonsense Ally Bank Commercial Remix (Project 12, 1112)

2011-11-14T20:48:00.003-05:00

Greald Celente just had a large portion of his funds seized by court order, when MF went under!
In short Greald was screwed. Like he's been stating for years, all they
have to do is close the doors and take your money. I urge all people to
stop investing in 401k's. You'd be better off putting your money under the
bed. Stop buying newspapers and drop your cable TV. What's more important,
football or you next meal?

Peter Schiff on Goldseek Radio - 09 Nov 2011

2011-11-11T04:10:00.000-05:00

Christopher Edes Candidate Meet & Greet Oct 2011

2011-11-06T14:07:00.000-05:00

Chris Edes SCOPEny.org Monroe county chairman

Muzzle~Loader's 4 Sale T/C,CVA,Mills (London)

2011-11-06T09:26:00.000-05:00

Sorry for the video quality. I'm destine to crappy cameras. For sale are 4 muzzle-loaders.
Mills Fowler circa 1840 12 ga
$1,000.00
Thompson Center 45 Hawken
$350.00
CVA SxS 12 ga. locks re-worked
$350.00
CVA 32 cal
$325.00

All these Ml'ers are in great condition. I've shot them all but the .32.
You can find me on GunBroker.com as BPBRS
on the internet as www.BlackPowderBill.com

Harpers monthly magazine.ASF

2011-11-06T09:14:00.001-05:00

Looking for a unique Christmas gift? Pick one of these up for something truely different.

SCOPE helps pay the way again!

2011-10-27T01:38:00.000-04:00

Ken & Stephen,

First, I want the extend a huge "Thank You!!" to you both, to the BoD of S.C.O.P.E., and to the membership, for their support and backing of this lawsuit, from the start. This little case, budded by me as, "The little case that could...," has turned into a major precedent, for Penal Code 400, in New York State.

The case, Chwick v. Mulvey, 81 A.D.3d 161, 915 N.Y.S.2d 578 (2nd Dept. 2010), started, as you know, as a pro se case in N.Y. Supreme Court, with Tom Fess, Edward Botsch and myself as petitioners. At the trial level, we were denied our claims. Needless to say, as this court's ruling can be read at http://www.incnf.org/Art78/Doc04-JudgeDavisRuling.pdf, Judge Davis, and his staff, came to very wrong conclusion about New York State preemption.
The lawsuit was then appealed to the New York State Appellate Division, Second Department, and with the excellent skills of Mr. Robert Firriolo, Esq., of Duane Morris LLC, his oral argument won on the appeal. Go to http://www.incnf.org/2ndDeptOA/ChwickvMulvey.mp4 to hear the oral argument from 04/09/2011. The appellate court, viewing this from a state point of view, ruled, in our favor, with a 4-0, 12-page ruling (no dissents). Read the appellate court ruling at http://www.nycourts.gov/reporter/3dseries/2010/2010_09911.htm.

Now, normally, a ruling has downward jurisdiction, meaning that the trial courts served by the Second Department are bound by the ruling. But, as Mr. Firriolo found, there is case law that makes our precedent a statewide jurisdiction.

You see, New York State Appellate Division is a single State-wide court divided into departments for administrative convenience, not for judicial separation (see Waldo v Schmidt, 200 NY 199, 202). And, as long as there are no other contrary decisions from another Department, and there are none at this time, under the legal doctrine of stare decisis, all the trail courts, under the New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division, are required to follow precedents set by the Appellate Division of another department until the New York Court of Appeals or the Appellate Division pronounces a contrary rule (see, e.g., Kirby v Rouselle Corp., 108 Misc 2d 291, 296; Matter of Bonesteel, 38 Misc 2d 219, 222, 16 AD2d 324; 1 Carmody-Wait 2d, NY Prac, § 2:63, p 75).

This is a general principle of appellate procedure (see, e.g., Auto Equity Sales v Superior Ct. of Santa Clara County, 57 Cal 2d 450, 455; Chapman v Pinellas County, 423 So 2d 578, 580 [Fla App]; People v Foote, 104 Ill App 3d 581), and it is necessary to maintain uniformity and consistency (see Lee v Consolidated Edison Co., 98 Misc 2d 304, 306). Consequently, any cases holding to the contrary (see, e.g., People v Waterman, 122 Misc 2d 489, 495, n 2) are disapproved.

So, this "Little case the could...," becomes the the "Little case that does...," as its precedent is binding across the whole state. As to how this becomes valuable, that is is the hands of fine lawyers who need a strong case in a preemption suit.

Again, I thank all of S.C.O.P.E. for their continued support.

Sincerely,
Alan Chwick

Savage Mdl ll 308 used in great condition

2011-10-25T22:33:00.000-04:00

Burqa wearing gun owners

2011-10-25T19:12:00.003-04:00

Posted by Woodenblog on Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:11:41 PM
Burqa wearing gun owners

There was a time in America where it was a privilege, an honor, and the law that one must, to be able to rightfully carry your weapon of choice out in the open, or concealed, however one wished, and without government interference, without the need for permits, submission to authority for licenses, etc. At one time our Second Amendment covered every citizen, and government protected the rights of the individual. That time has long passed. Since the Progressive movement, and even prior. States, like Tennessee, tried to outlaw the carry of firearms in the 1830's, but state courts rejected the law, and overturned it, based on Second Amendment criteria (“...shall not be infringed”). Even Justice Story, on his treatise on the Constitution, was noted to have written that should any attempt be made against the amendment it would be at the state level, but that if such an attempt were made, that the “Second Amendment” would prevent its being constitutional.

Once relegated (in vogue in western territories before they became states) to the outlaw west, the authority to do this was never considered correct within the United States proper. That is, until the period of Prohibition when running booze became a full time, gangster style job. Prior to that names like Dillinger, and 'Baby Face” Nelson, the James Boys, Ma Barker & her boys, and other bank robbers ran around taking money which the Federal Treasury properly considered within their purview. The Tax man, and revenuers, too became legendary in song, and movie.

In the early 1900's, Timothy Sullivan and the gang at Tammany Hall, the corruption involved, the desire to attain, and hold power, the state of NY determined that due to the rise of murders in NY City that a law needed to be on the books to stop the criminal activity, much of it sponsored by the criminal gangs, many of those run by Tammany Hall itself. Tim Sullivan was a man of ill repute, noted in the Movie “Gangs of New York.” The extent of the corruption was widespread, and the organization was under constant scrutiny, and investigation. The fact is, Tammany Hall was a corrupt political organization as many came to learn, and as many within the system knew at the time. The problem was the power the organization wielded, a power they were reluctant to relinquish to the people, especially the many of “we, the people” being 'undesirables', many illegal aliens, many legal aliens, but thought unequal to those Americans already here who had for generation eked an existence out of the woods, and cities of the new world.

As many states came to realize that their political power could be gained at the behest of the masses by staunching the corruption, and illegality, by keeping the people, in other words, “safe” from the criminal element they found these masses more willing to submit to laws which would stifle their rights. As the educational system devolved to our current 'socialist' public education system, as the criteria to be taught was changed, as the educational processes assumed that propaganda would be better than actual teaching of history, the constitution, the beginnings of our country, and why these then created a capitalist system with a rule of law, all law answering to the constitutionality by the court(s). Whatever happened to these concepts? The people were mis-educated, fed a line of BS for so long that today we don't question our masters, but instead simply kowtow to them. When did the change occur that presumed in a whole people's mind that government was the be all and end all, whereas individual thought, innovation, creativity, responsibility, and individual rights could be trampled upon for the new ideology of the 'common good', the new math, the new world order? How did 'the common good' devolve from “limited government” into 'all encompassing' government?

History relates that it started after the Civil War (War Between the States, or War of Northern Aggression, depending on where you live and your ideology). I tend to believe that the states could not only decide to join the union, but given the Declaration of Independence's assumption that one could decide to throw off any government, and design one to fit the needs of the people whom it represented; that secession was legal, justified, and constitutional.

During this after war period, the states often passed laws (Jim Crow) to prevent former slaves from owning, or bearing arms. This, of course, depended on these who were prohibited abiding by the law. As we know, some did not, and those who did often ended up at the end of a noose, put there by white sheeted, and hooded, thugs of the KKK. In essence, the war for liberation (meaning constitutional rights applied to all equally)of the black populace lasted much longer than the Civil War did, by decades. In the 1950's, and 1960's, the Civil Rights movement took off. Prior to this Amendment's 13, 14, and 15, were adopted to try to bring all states into compliance with equality under the law; in essence, true equal justice. However, nowhere was justice ever admittedly equal. Equality can only come from “rule of law,” and adherence to the principle(s) of the law, the primary law in our country being the constitution.

In 1934, FDR passed the first Federal Firearms Act. It disparaged the ownership of the first “Weapons of Mass Destruction,” fully automatic rifles (military assault rifles), and sawed off shotguns, and rifles. Alo0ng with these, the ownership of silencers was also prohibited. That the law was wholly unjustified given that weapons of this type were seldom used, or owned, by the general population, given that the majority of these weapons used were by notorious gangsters, and thugs, the non-necessity of the law couldn't be any more apparent. That one could own these if they applied to the FBI for a permit to do such, that said permit was, in essence, unconstitutional (see the meaning of 'infringed'; 'encroach,' and 'hinder,' among other definitions of infringe).

The Miller decision stated that American citizens could only own those weapons pertinent to militia/military use, but our military had used both shotguns, and full automatic weapons in WWI, which ended a full 16 years before passage of the Federal Firearms Act of 1934. The supposition was that such prohibitive laws would make it so costly to own these weapons that only outlaws would own them. At the time, a permit to own such was $200. During the Depression, when most worked for $1 a day, or less, this was cost prohibitive to the general person. This didn't include the cost of attaining the weapon, keeping it in good working order, or supplying it with ammunition. A cheaper alternative ewas the sawed off rifle, capable of being carried discretely (concealed) where ownership of pistols was now under “permit” systems.

Let me first off note here that in the Shuttlesworth v. City of Birmingham decision (1969), the courts declared that permits for rights were unconstitutional. They quoted the SCOTUS decision of Staub v. Baxley, which decried permits for sales within various districts. There was also a decision about permits being needed to solicit for churches proselytizing door to door. In Shuttlesworth, quoting from Staub, the justices noted that permits for rights were “unconstitutional censorships, or prior restraints” on the individual. As such, anyone faced with such a licensing law “may ignore it, and engage with impunity in the (right) for which the law required a license (permit).” One of our Supreme Court justices, Justice Ruth Bader-Ginsburg, during the Heller decision, asked complainant Heller if he would be acceptable of a permit system in D.C. I had written seven of the 9 justices, RB-G excluded, asking that when they considered the Heller decision that they also announce that not only was “the right to keep and bear arms” and individual right, but also that it was not to be infringed, as the amendment notes. I sent them the information on the Shuttlesworth decision, and asked that the two justices not written to be filled in by the other seven. As we can see, these justices, all 9 of them, didn't follow past precedent in this case, and instead opted for a watered down version of the Second Amendment more consistent with current ideology, and inconsistent with our Constitution's plain language; “...the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” With what part of this didn't the dissenters concur? Were they using their perceived agenda to create a constitutional crisis? Why did a recent decision in regards the Permit system be turned away by the SCOTUS? We can only surmise that they have done so in an effort to put off the rights of the people to keep and bear arms. To what end? Do all those in power believe that our constitution needs revision, and if so, why are they unwilling to do it by the process inclusive to it; amendment? Worse, since even the left today considers “past precedent” so vital in being maintained, given the erroneous decision in Roe v Wade, why would they skip over Staub/Shuttlesworth? After all, it is a “Civil Rights” decision, and all of our rights are civil rights as Abraham Lincoln so aptly made known when he stated our constitution was a “Civil” document.

So, why is it that we have to “conceal” our firearms when we carry? It is very similar to those in Islam who make note that women must be covered head to toe by a burqa. Are firearms so enticing that more people would carry if they knew it was not only possible, but our God given, constitutionally guaranteed right? And, if it is a constitutionally guaranteed right, why haven't our past presidents taken states to court to get laws which are passed by them which”infringe” the right, and have them overturned? Isn't that their job?

I'm sick of being relegated to being someone who must hide my belief in my constitution. I am sick of being bullied by the media, the police, the government at all levels because I desire, and do, carry a weapon on myself at all times. I am tired of trying to keep it hidden, and should it poke out for some reason being prodded by local para-militarists with guns drawn as if I am some kind of human scum, the lowest of the low, for merely exercising my right as an American citizen? Why is my life jeopardized because I wish to be equal to a para-militarist (local law enforcement)? It seems incongruous with our rights, yet it is happening throughout the United States. Are we now Mexico, Canada, Britain, Australia, or New Zealand? Why is it a law abiding citizen who has a permit is subjected to guns drawn, in your face, confrontation by these para-militarists? And, what right do they have to do so given that the state allows my right to be turned into a privilege, and at my behest, when I comply with their inane, ridiculous, unconstitutional permit system laws?

I'm tired of, in essence, having to wear a burqa over my weapons in public, because I appreciate, and exercise, my right (not state sponsored privilege) to keep and bear arms. ###

Here relax now
BPB

Death by Zombies

2011-10-24T19:56:00.000-04:00

Ron Paul Ad - Consistent

2011-10-21T16:26:00.000-04:00

Ron Paul the only choice in 2012!

New York ~ Status of the Mourning Dove Initiative

2011-10-14T10:20:00.002-04:00

So sportsmen sticking together in NY is not an option. Bet if theses birds had horns & antler they'd be on a fast track to legislation for a special season.
BPB

Subject:	Status of the Mourning Dove Initiative
Date:	Thu, 13 Oct 2011 19:14:02 -0400
From:	Fred Z. Neff
To:	A lot of NY sportsmen

I've had several inquiries as to whether I am still pursuing a dove reclassification initiative for New York. The answer is, "YOU BET! And each day, we are getting closer to "coming out". But it sure would help if some of you would join in. The following will explain just what I mean.

It's been a long haul so far. But the battle hasn't even begun yet. The totals to date, which are concentrated on obtaining letters of support from sportsmen organizations, are progressing at the pace of a turtle. Positive progress is a fact. But to be frank, I'm still not satisfied. If and when I take this issue public and ask you to approach our legislators in search of sponsors for a bill calling for the reclassification of the mourning dove, it will be crucial that NY's sportsmen demonstrate that we are united on this since political careers are going to be risked. For that reason, I can assure you that if I'm not satisfied that we are truly united, I will not go forward. I've made that clear more than once. Worse, any Federation or other organization that ignores this initiative or opposes it is indicating that they are on the side of the anti-hunting crowd (e.g. - the "Save the Dove" folks) and they will love you for it. They might even make you honorary members. Is that what we want? We have a chance to bring a new outdoor opportunity to our bird hunting fraternity. God knows, we need it. Evidently, 40 other states agree.

Here is the latest update as of 10/13/11:

A. NYSCC Federation Members

There are 62 counties in New York. 49 of them have Federations that are members of NYSCC. 13 counties are not members of NYSCC. 27 of the 49 member Federations in the NYSCC have responded so far. All 27 support the initiative. 22 Federations have not responded to date. Therefore, I have no idea if the 22 are for, against, or don't care about the issue.

The 22 Federations that have not responded are:

Cattaraugus

Chautauqua

Clinton

Delaware

Essex

Franklin

Jefferson

Lewis

Nassau

Oneida

Orange

Otsego

Rensselaer

Rockland

Saratoga

Seneca

Steuben

Sullivan

Ulster

Westchester

Wyoming

Yates

Several specific Federations listed above are significant surprises to me due to their lack of response. I truly expected support from them. In this world of personality and issue clashes, I wonder if some are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. In addition, several representatives of these Federations have promised me letters of support, but I haven't received them to date. (A particularly depressing encounter at the NYSCC Fall Conference occurred when a well-known figure who is also the president of one of the listed Federations informed me that he didn't think that his Federation would support the initiative; the only negative response that I've received thus far). I have to state that I am amazed at this status, especially since I have personally contacted every Federation delegate that has a valid email. I intend to contact each Federation, yet again, directly through their presidents if possible.

B. NYSCC Associate Members

There are15 Associate members of the NYSCC. 6 have responded so far, all supportive. 9 have not responded ( see bold, underlined above).

The 9 Associate members who have not responded are:

Deer Search, Inc.

Mad River Club

NY Conservation Officers Association

NY Deer and Elk Farmers Association

NY Field Archers and Bowhunters Association

NY Houndsmen Conservation Association

NYS Chapter, National Wild Turkey Federation

NYS Whitetail Management Coalition

SCOPE, Inc.

C. NYSCC Affiliate Members

There are 11 Affiliate members of the NYSCC, 1 has responded in support; 10 have not responded (see bold, underlined above).

The one supporting response was from the NYS Outdoor Writers Association. FYI, here are the other 10 who haven't responded: Canandaigua Lake Duck Hunters, Elma Conservation Club, Finger Lakes Conservation Council, Leatherstocking Club, Mid-Hudson Fur Harvesters, Niagara Frontier Chapter NWTF, Seneca Lake Duck Hunters, Sullivan County Longbeards NTWF, Tribes Hill Fish and Game Club, and the Tri-Village Road and Gun Club. Some are already included in member Federations and so I'm not going to make them a priority at this point.

I have also received letters of support from 5 unaffiliated organizations:

Chenango County Federation

Oatka Fish and Game Club

Genesee Conservation Foundation, Inc.

Conservation Alliance of New York (CANY)

NY Division, Izaak Walton League

Summary:

Of the 49 member Federations of NYSCC, 27 support the initiative. That's 55%.

Of the 75 total members of NYSCC, 34 support the initiative. That's 45%.

If I include the 80 total listed here, 39 are supportive. That's 49%.

If you are reading this email and note that your Federation is one of those who have not heeded requests for support, I urge you to correct the matter ASAP since I really want to move forward. There are more than a few individuals that have volunteered to work on this initiative and some of them have suggested excellent elements with regard to a game plan once the support matter is resolved.

Meanwhile, I urge each of you to use every opportunity to keep this initiative alive in the minds of your legislators.

Finally, I have a spreadsheet that contains the details that I asked for - support or oppose, number of member clubs in your organization and the estimated number of sportsmen that you feel that you represent. This spreadsheet will be part of the "package" that I intend to distribute to supporting legislators.

Any questions, don't hesitate to contact me. More importantly, if you recognize those listed above, please ask them to respond.

Thanks.

Fred Z. Neff

JUDGES & POLICE To DISCUSS USE OF DEADLY FORCE

2011-09-26T17:35:00.000-04:00

The Judges and Police Conference of Erie County will feature a program regarding the use of force and deadly force at their dinner meeting on October 6. The program will be part of their monthly dinner meeting and will open the forum for the public. The J & PC is an organization dedicated to law enforcement and the legal community. Non-members are invited to attend.

The dinner meeting will be held at Lucarelli’s Restaurant, 1080 Abbot Road . Lackawanna , NY at 6 PM and will feature County Court Judge, Hon. Kenneth Case, Sheriff Timothy Howard and defense attorney Daniel Killelea. Front Page columnist, Budd Schroeder will moderate the panel discussion.

The program will discuss what happens when a person is involved in an encounter ending with the use of deadly force and how they should handle the situation, starting with the call to 911, dealing with the police, and how to conduct themselves when describing the incident to the authorities.

The cost of the dinner is $30 and reservations are necessary. For those who would like to attend, call Debra Ritz at 868-6145.

Wayne County Federation youth Pheasant hunt

2011-09-25T14:29:00.000-04:00

I can uderstand Keith's frustration being a former WCFSC President.

To all,

I drove to the Audubon Center in Savannah late this A.M. and took a look at the sign-up sheet for I the Youth Hunt scheduled for October 8th, 2011; 4 were listed for the pheasant hunt and just one for the waterfowl hunt. We need a total of 25 for the first one and the waterfowl should have about 5 more but we will take what we can get.

I also picked up info sheets dated 9/19/11 and have handed out a few.

The contact person for sign-up is Frank Moses and can be reached at 315-365-3580 or fmoses@audubon.org.

If anyone knows kids that would go to this have them contact Frank and mention they heard about it through the Wayne County Sportsman's Federation federation.
Keith Youngs
Wayne County Sportsman's Federation

BPB Schumer MIA on gun runner

2011-09-23T22:36:00.000-04:00

FICA on West Hollywood fur ban

2011-09-23T15:15:00.002-04:00

The Facts

In a complete mockery of the legislative process, the West Hollywood City Council voted 5 - 0 to move to a second reading of the ordinance to ban the sale of fur apparel in the City of West Hollywood. It is important to note that no actual ordinance has yet been passed.

The city moved without any vetting of retailers and without review of an independent economic impact study that showed 46% of the apparel retailers – which translates to over 90 stores in West Hollywood who sell fur.

We have built an exceptionally strong coalition of retailers that have been fighting this battle. Included in this coalition are the West Hollywood Chamber of Commerce and The Avenues, the group representing the four biggest business development districts in town. For the first time in history, these two groups unanimously opposed an ordinance presented by the City Council and, even after Monday’s meeting, they are continuing in their opposition to support our efforts.

What’s Next?

Yesterday our Executive Director, Keith Kaplan, did 16 media interviews (see some of the links attached) and by-in-large the coverage has ranged from neutral to overwhelmingly in our favor. A KTLA poll this morning indicated that 61% of respondents were opposed to the actions of the City Council. Even among social media sites such as Twitter and TMZ, largely utilized by the young and socially conscious, are trending in our favor.

Our legal team at Kelley Drye and their litigation team in Los Angeles are hard at work identifying legal challenges to the ban and we are liaising with attorneys for key retailers and designers. Several of these well known names, including Balenciaga and Alberta Ferretti, have already notified their landlords that they intend to terminate their leases and move out of the city and their legal teams have called on us to band together.

Our Ongoing Voice

The FICA office is moving forward with daily press releases and media stories on this issue and continues to work with a number of high-profile media outlets, updating them regularly. A story will be posted on www.furinsider.com later today titled “RIP: West Hollywood” that will include quotes from high-profile stylists, retailers and other prominent members of the community. We are working with the Chamber to barrage the City Council members with updates of the articles and polls indicating the strong trend of public sentiment against this ordinance. We are also in the process of setting up a facebook page, West Hollywood R.I.P, to provide an easily accessible outlet for the City Hall staffers and the City Council members to see the latest news on the issue.

We cannot make any promises about what the City Council will finally decide on this issue, but we are continuing to fight vigorously. As an adjunct, we are using the issue effectively as a media platform to promote positive fur messages.

Call to Action

We encourage you to send your comments to ccouncil@weho.org . As animal rights extremists across the country are writing in, we should do the same…no matter where you live. Some of the vital facts to highlight would be:

 Talk about our industry’s humane and responsible treatment of animals.

 Note that we use no endangered species and we work closely with wildlife management agencies to manage populations of species used in the fur trade.

 Tell them that every species used by the trade is an abundant, or more abundant than populations of a century ago.

 Talk to them about the furriers respect for and support of their communities; their support of charitable endeavors.

 Remind them that the cash register truly tells us what the consumer wants, and the news is that consumers want fur.

 Finally, tell them that your customer, who is affluent and travels, is upset about this ordinance and has been telling you they will avoid West Hollywood in their travels.

Feel free to contact our office with any questions by reaching out to Nicole@fur.org. Our most recent press release, along with links to some of the ongoing press coverage, is attached.

Thank you for your support.
Your FICA Team

http://www.trapperman.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2744257.html#Post2744257

National and Local Coverage on West Hollywood Fur Ban

2011-09-23T15:11:00.000-04:00

National and Local Coverage on West Hollywood Fur Ban

To date, we have conducted the following press interviews around this issue

 WWD- 9/20/11
 The New York Times (Los Angeles bureau)- 9/20/11
 LA Tines (x2)
 Non Stop News LA –NBC LA on air (x2) 9/16/11 and 9/20/11
 Southern California Public Radio (southern California public radio KPCC airtalk with Larry Mantle) 89.3 - 9/21/11 (postponed due to breaking news story)
 CNBC – 9/20/11
 Annenberg Radio News (USC talk radio Station) – 9/20/11
 ABC News National – 9/20/11
 CBS Kcal News (x 2)– 9/20/11
 ABC News local( x2) - 9/20/11
 Fox News LA – 9/19/11
 WeHo News (online publication) – 9/18
(Links)

1. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/21/us/west-hollywood-to-ban-sales-of-fur-garments.html?_r=1

2. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2011/09/fur-hits-the-ban-in-west-hollywood-calif/
3.http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/09/west_hollywood_fur_ban.php

4.http://www.ktla.com/videobeta/dd659597-6b91-4b22-a94b-7f57335c9572/News/KTLA-WeHo-First-City-in-Nation-to-Ban-Fur-Sales-Jaime-Chambers-reports

5. http://mobile.latimes.com/p.p m=b&a=rp&id=870492&postId=870492&postUserId=7&sessionToken=&catId=5224&curAbsIndex=0&resultsUrl=DID%3D6%26DFCL%3D1000%26DSB%3Drank%2523desc%26DBFQ%3DuserId%253A7%26DL.w%3D%26DL.d%3D10%26DQ%3DsectionId%253A5224%26DPS%3D0%26DPL%3D3

6.http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8360921

7. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2011/09/fur-hits-the-ban-in-west-hollywood-calif/

8.http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/09/20/west-hollywood-becomes-1st-ever-us-city-to-ban-sale-of-fur/

9.http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/no-on-west-hollywood-fur-ban/1d2dcrhcz

10.http://wehonews.com/z/wehonews/archive/page.php?articleID=6495

11.http://www.nbclosangeles.com/on-air/as-seen-on/No_on_West_Hollywood_Fur_Ban_Los_Angeles-130003463.html

West Hollwood fur ban...poll, go vote em out.

2011-09-21T09:48:00.000-04:00

Lets light up the wires!

Fur Information Council of America

Please tell the West Hollywood city council that you do not support
the ban on fur, their support of animal rights extremists and their
complete lack of objectivity and due process in moving forward on an
ordinance damaging to local business and infringing on personal
freedoms....

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-poll-fur-sale-ban,0,4730466,post.poll

Thank you
Nicole Smith
Director of Membership Services
FICA
(323) 782.1700

For daily scoop on fashion trends, commentary and fur insight visit
www.FurInsider.com

Bloomberg's Tour of Lies

2011-09-16T19:04:00.000-04:00

Gun store owner had misgivings about ATF sting

2011-09-12T09:39:00.000-04:00

Gun store owner had misgivings about ATF sting

My God! This is/was wrong on so many levels. I suppose in the end,once it's forgotten, but by a few it will be yesterdays news.
bpb

By Richard A. Serrano, Los Angeles Times

September 11, 2011, 9:14 p.m.
Reporting from Glendale and Rio Rico, Ariz.— In the fall of 2009, ATF agents installed a secret phone line and hidden cameras in a ceiling panel and wall at Andre Howard's Lone Wolf gun store. They gave him one basic instruction: Sell guns to every illegal purchaser who walks through the door.

For 15 months, Howard did as he was told. To customers with phony IDs or wads of cash he normally would have turned away, he sold pistols, rifles and semiautomatics. He was assured by the ATF that they would follow the guns, and that the surveillance would lead the agents to the violent Mexican drug cartels on the Southwest border.

When Howard heard nothing about any arrests, he questioned the agents. Keep selling, they told him. So hundreds of thousands of dollars more in weapons, including .50-caliber sniper rifles, walked out of the front door of his store in a Glendale, Ariz., strip mall.

Environmentalism and Animal Rights ~Ayn Rand

2011-09-11T16:35:00.000-04:00

Environmentalism and Animal Rights More

"[O]bserve that in all the propaganda of the ecologists—amidst all their appeals to nature and pleas for "harmony with nature"—there is no discussion of man's needs and the requirements of his survival. Man is treated as if he were an unnatural phenomenon. Man cannot survive in the kind of state of nature that the ecologists envision—i.e., on the level of sea urchins or polar bears. . . .

In order to survive, man has to discover and produce everything he needs, which means that he has to alter his background and adapt it to his needs. Nature has not equipped him for adapting himself to his background in the manner of animals. From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production. The lowest human tribe cannot survive without that alleged source of pollution: fire. It is not merely symbolic that fire was the property of the gods which Prometheus brought to man. The ecologists are the new vultures swarming to extinguish that fire."

[Ayn Rand (1971), "The Anti-Industrial Revolution," Return of the Primitive, 277.]

"The nature of an ideology is not determined by majority vote—but by logic, by analyzing its essence and its necessary implications. The logic of environmentalism, for example, leads to a society without technology . . . even if various environmentalists . . . would deny this . . . The full implications of an ideology’s central principle are often evaded by its adherents.
[Peter Schwartz (1985), "Libertarianism: The Perversion of Liberty," Voice of Reason.]

Knight Muzzle Loader scope rings

2011-09-08T19:25:00.000-04:00

Atlas Shrugged: From Fiction to Fact in 52 Years

2011-09-07T23:59:00.000-04:00

DOJ Raids Gibson Guitars, But Mum's Still the Word on 'Fast and Furious'

2011-09-01T03:48:00.000-04:00

Well people need any more proof of the intent of the government.

Sheeple will the government lure them in again? YES

2011-09-01T02:58:00.000-04:00

Next week the government will announce the new "jobs" plan. Anyone want to bet me it has to do with the hiring of special people? For the Government to help the people....ya know committees to oversee government hiring.

Quote:

The mandate, Executive Order 13583, is titled, "A Coordinated Government-Wide Initiative to Promote Diversity and Inclusion in the Federal Workforce." from nlpc" ###

Rochester,NY D&C ran a full page article on not being able to hire qualified minorities from with-in the cities limits. They petitioned a Judge to grant them to hire from outside the cities limits.

Let us count the ways the sheeple from 2008 will again be led to the Flavor-aid table on another promise.

With Sharpton now a msnbc puppet I'm sure we'll see a new surge of special reports.

Let us go back to the 80's of the forced hiring of morons.

A period of which this country has not recovered from.

Max Kessler for Rochester 27th district

2011-08-31T20:51:00.002-04:00

Max has worked the SCOPE table at the ESACA shows in Rochester. He is running against Willie Lightfoot of the 27th district.
He was with SCOPE on Albany last winter and filmed our meeting with Senator Nozzolio. BTW the video is on youtube.
Max is a friend of Chris Edes SCOPE Monroe county Chariman and Director.
Even though I can not vote for Max, he has my support.
IMO! So to those of you who reside & own firearms in the 27th district you need to vote for MAX KESSLE this coming fall. Lets do away with promises and elect a person who'll fight for our God given rights.

BlackPowderBill

Why Should I Support Ron Paul? A Very Short Documentary

2011-08-30T18:50:00.001-04:00

If you do not vote for Ron Paul in 2012 don't come ask me for help, (OF ANY KIND) in 2013 " bpb"

Wal-Mart supports anti fishing groups

2011-08-30T18:17:00.000-04:00

Wal-Mart supports anti fishing groups
http://nlpc.org/stories/2011/08/22/walmart-heirs-and-fishing-freedom-don%E2%80%99t-mix

In part:
Should these groups be successful in achieving their goals in California, you can bet that they’ll be working overtime in every other coastal state to create a network of no-take zones that bar "injury," "harm" and "harassment" of fish stocks in large areas of the nation's marine waters. Rather than supporting our nation’s fishermen by protecting American access to coastal fish stocks, it appears that Safeway would rather see our families buy only farm-raised fish and seafood caught by foreign countries outside of U.S. waters, countries with less stringent controls on fishing effort than we enjoy here in the United States of America.

Please follow the link and read the entire article.

Ted Nugent Schools Piers who Danced into a corner.

2011-08-29T18:34:00.000-04:00

LMAO Piers a professional oppositional defiant.

Smith & Wesson i-Bolt 30-06 : Bolt Action at GunBroker.com

2011-08-28T11:38:00.000-04:00

This rifle is way below MSRP @ $425.00 inculding shipping you'll save local sales tax plus gas $.

Smith & Wesson i-Bolt 30-06 : Bolt Action at the BPBRS store GunBroker.com

Winchester Wildcat .22rf : Bolt Action at GunBroker.com

2011-08-28T11:36:00.000-04:00

3 New in Box rifles due in this coming week~

Winchester Wildcat .22rf : Bolt Action at BPBRS on GonBroker.com

Hornady Pa 50 cal conicals & Speer 454-457 round ball for sale

2011-08-22T18:19:00.001-04:00

New 50 cal / 50 per box $35.00 for 2 boxes shipping included, flat rate usps small box, no insurance. Good for slow twist ML barrels.

Also Speer round ball 454 & 457 dia. 100 per box $15.00 per box shipping $5.00 no insurance. I can get 2 or 3 boxes in a small flate rate box.

NY, ya gotta pay sales tax.

Let me know @ blackpowderbill@yahoo.com

I had a customer order quite a few boxes so I took advantage of the shipping and quanity order from the wholesale house.

The 454 rb make a nice light load for the 45LC. Short range critter getters.

ATF Promotes Supervisors from Operation Fast and Furious

2011-08-19T20:04:00.000-04:00

Rewarding mediocrity has been a way of life for over 40 years. This is Atlas Shrugged come true.

Hornady .454 round ball 45 : Pistol Ammo at GunBroker.com

2011-08-19T14:37:00.000-04:00

Now in stock @ $13.00 per box of 100

Hornady .454 round ball 45 : Pistol Ammo at BPBRS on GunBroker.com

Hornady Pa Conical 50 cal 240gr : Rifle Ammo at GunBroker.com

2011-08-19T14:35:00.000-04:00

Now in stock. Designed for the slow twist rifle.

Hornady Pa Conical 50 cal 240gr : Rifle Ammo at GunBroker.com

In Memory of Henry Thomas Armour

2011-08-10T21:39:00.000-04:00

Father in law passed away this week. He had a hell of run in his day. U.S.Navy BT1~Welder~Boiler inspector~Truck driver.

In Memory of Henry Thomas Armour

NM Trappers association reverse Gov. Bill Richardson's trap ban

2011-07-24T21:26:00.001-04:00

NM Trappers association reverse Gov. Bill Richardson's trap ban

FYI:
NEWS ALERT:
First reported by BlackPowderBill c: July 24,2011

NM trappers association successfully fought to reverse the trapping ban's that the animals rights groups supported & Governor Bill Richardson forced on the states trappers in the fall 2010.

NMTA, cattle and wool growers spoke against the trapping ban at the recent NM Game & Fish Department commission meeting in Clayton this past Thursday. The commission voted unanimously to repeal the ban.

To the best of my knowledge this is a historical first; trappers successfully reversed a ban on trapping.

The trap ban that was previously imposed on the Blue wolf range in the Gila and Apache national forest was completely reversed to pre-trap ban status.

Regards,

Wm. J. Brookover
5336 Lincoln Rd
Ontario,NY. 14519

"BlackPowder" Bill
President
NY Muzzleloaders Assn.
http://www.nysmla.org/

another link @ Trapperman.com
New mexico trap ban reversed

Operation Fast and Furious: Designed to Promote Gun Control

2011-07-16T12:19:00.000-04:00

Another WACO and Ruby Ridge ~

Opposition to NYS Muzzle Loader proposed regulations

2011-07-13T21:32:00.001-04:00

Dear NYSMLA members,
Please take the time to read the 3 items below and respond to your legislators accordingly:

AS the NYSMLA President I OPPOSE any bill that classifies any ML regardless of age as a firearm. The definition and reasoning below of today's in-lines is pure sophistry, as any of us who shoot MuzzleLoaders understand. When this legislation was proposed in the past the NYSMLA was contacted for an opinion. I/we , the association was not contacted prior to the drafting of these latest bills or we could have explained the vast differences in a cartridge firearm vs. a muzzle loader.

The bill does not explain what level of felon and as we all know one DWI or a few bounced checks can make you a felon over night. There is a vast difference between a demented violent felon and a non violent felon. New York state already has very expensive process's in place to prevent firearms ownership by felons and the mentally ill.

Another item is an FFL is not required to perform an FBI NICS check on a muzzle loader unless it can have a fixed ammunition barrel attached. When a fixed ammunition barrel can be swapped out and attached to the frame , then a NICS check is required by law. This is sufficient to prevent the transfer to a person prohibited to own a firearm. The majority of Muzzle-loaders sold in NY are of the interchangeable barrel design which as stated above require the FBI NICS check.

Again as President of the NYSMLA.org I adamantly oppose this or any legislation as it will place unknown burdens on thousands of New York muzzle-loader enthusiast. As with most firearms legislation we never know the full impact till it hits the floor.

What's next, bows?

Regards,
Wm. J. Brookover
5336 Lincoln Rd
Ontario,NY. 14519
315-524-3457

"BlackPowder" Bill
President
NY Muzzleloaders Assn.
www.nysmla.org

SCOPE Director @ Large
www.scopeny.org

Williamson Conservation & Sporting Club
Past President & Present Director
www.nygunclub.org
www.blackpowderbill.com
Licensed FFL
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Prohibit the possession of antique firearms, muzzle loading rifles, and muzzle loading shotguns by persons convicted of a felony or serious offense.
A 4169 Weprin Same as S 5658 Gallivan
A 8456 Weprin No same as

PURPOSE
Currently, individuals who have been convicted of a felony or certain serious offenses are prohibited from possessing or using handguns, rifles or shotguns. In the case of rifles and shotguns, this prohibition is limited to weapons using fixed ammunition, and in the case of handguns, the prohibition applies to all cartridge handguns but only loaded antique weapons.
This bill is intended to prevent individuals who are prohibited from possessing firearms, rifles and shotguns from possessing and using any weapon regardless of ammunition type. This essentially means antique handguns and muzzle loading rifles and shotguns.
POSITION
We have no objection to A4169/S5658. Prohibiting convicted felons from possessing weapons is certainly a legitimate state interest1.
We oppose A8456. This bill goes outside of the realm of preventing access to weapons by legitimately prohibited persons and risks impacting the lawful owners and users of muzzle loading rifles and shotguns.
The penal law definition of “rifle” and “shotgun” should not be changed.
The definitions for rifle and shotgun currently in PL265.00(11) and PL265(12) are consistent with the definitions in federal law (18 U.S.C. 921) and should not be tinkered with. They are understood and are the basis for other state and local laws and regulations. This is the kind of change that, if made casually, invokes the law of unintended consequences.
Any legislation must be drafted in a manner that does not negatively impact fully law-abiding individuals. Any suggestion that muzzleloaders fall into the same category as cartridge guns would have a negative impact on groups and individuals including museums and Civil War reenacters.
Any text dealing with this subject must be very carefully developed.
Any specific definitions in PL265.00 concerning muzzle loading weapons must be consistent with federal law, specifically 18 U.S.C. 921 (a)(16), and should be developed with great care and with the assistance of someone with technical knowledge of the subject.
1 See District of Columbia v Heller 554 US 570 (2008)

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The text:
Sponsor: GALLIVAN / Law Section: Penal Law

S5658-2011 Actions
Jun 24, 2011: RETURNED TO SENATE
Jun 24, 2011: PASSED ASSEMBLY
Jun 24, 2011: ORDERED TO THIRD READING RULES CAL.625
Jun 24, 2011: SUBSTITUTED FOR A8456A
Jun 21, 2011: REFERRED TO CODES
Jun 21, 2011: DELIVERED TO ASSEMBLY
Jun 21, 2011: PASSED SENATE
Jun 21, 2011: ORDERED TO THIRD READING CAL.1483
Jun 21, 2011: COMMITTEE DISCHARGED AND COMMITTED TO RULES
Jun 9, 2011: REFERRED TO CODES
S5658-2011 Meetings
Rules (Jun 24, 2011 12:00:00 AM), Rules (Jun 23, 2011 12:00:00 AM), Rules (Jun 22, 2011 12:00:00 AM), Rules (Jun 21, 2011 12:00:00 AM), Rules (Jun 17, 2011 12:00:00 AM), Rules (Jun 14, 2011 12:00:00 AM)
S5658-2011 Calendars
Floor Calendar: Jun 21, 2011
S5658-2011 Votes
VOTE: FLOOR VOTE: - Jun 21, 2011

Ayes (62): Adams, Addabbo, Alesi, Avella, Ball, Bonacic, Breslin, Carlucci, DeFrancisco, Diaz, Dilan, Duane, Espaillat, Farley, Flanagan, Fuschillo, Gallivan, Gianaris, Golden, Griffo, Grisanti, Hannon, Hassell-Thompson, Huntley, Johnson, Kennedy, Klein, Krueger, Kruger, Lanza, Larkin, LaValle, Libous, Little, Marcellino, Martins, Maziarz, McDonald, Montgomery, Nozzolio, O'Mara, Oppenheimer, Parker, Peralta, Perkins, Ranzenhofer, Ritchie, Rivera, Robach, Saland, Sampson, Savino, Serrano, Seward, Skelos, Smith, Squadron, Stavisky, Stewart-Cousins, Valesky, Young, Zeldin
S5658-2011 Memo
BILL NUMBER:S5658

TITLE OF BILL:
An act
to amend the penal law, in relation to preventing certain people from
lawfully possessing certain rifles, shotguns, and firearms

PURPOSE:
To close a loophole that allows felons to possess
muzzle-loaded rifles, as well as, muzzle-loaded shotguns.

SUMMARY OF PROVISIONS:
This bill amends section 265.01 (of the Penal
Law (PL) to prevent prohibited persons (those convicted of felonies,
serious offenses or have been certified not suitable to possess a
rifle of shotgun) from lawfully possessing muzzle-loading or black
powder rifles, shotguns and firearms.

JUSTIFICATION:
The recent escalation of violence against police
officers and civilians through the use of muzzle-loaded rifles by
persons with previous violent criminal histories has aptly displayed
a loophole in the Penal Law which generally prohibits the possession,
use and/or sale of firearms. Although § 265.00 and §400.00 of the
Penal Law specifically address the requirements for licensing as well
as restrictions that disallow the use or possession of antique
pistols. The Penal Law has not proscribed the use or possession of
muzzle-loading rifles by individuals with previous violent criminal
histories or other proscribed conduct that would otherwise preclude
that person from possessing or using a firearm. This failure to
prohibit the use or possession of muzzle-loaded rifles by. said
individuals has resulted in the shooting of two New York State
Troopers within a short time span.

On June 18, 2007, State Police Officer Amanda Reif responded to a call
of a domestic disturbance in the Town of Potsdam. Upon entering the
front yard of a residence, Trooper Reif was shot in her left shoulder
by a .50 caliber muzzle-loading rifle. The perpetrator had a lengthy
criminal history that precluded him from possessing or using all
firearms and
rifles as is currently defined in § 265.00. Unfortunately, the
loophole gave the perpetrator the ability to lawfully possess the
muzzle-loaded rifle as well as a muzzle-loading shot gun found at the
scene.

On August 28, 2008 State Police Officer George Stannard responded to a
call of a suicidal emotionally disturbed individual in the Town of
Harrietstown. While Trooper Stannard engaged the individual in a
dialogue, the individual drew up a .50 caliber muzzle-loading rifle
and shot trooper Stannard though his hand. Even though the individual
was precluded from carrying, using or possessing firearms as

currently defined in. § 265.00, the individual lawfully possessed the
muzzle-loading rifle due to the loophole.

The Penal Law must be amended to prevent persons (those convicted of
felonies, serious offenses or have been certified not suitable to
possess a rifle or shot gun) from possessing muzzle-loading or black
powder rifles, shotguns and firearms.

With advances in modern technology, these guns can now be loaded and
discharged faster and with more accuracy than ever before. Modern
muzzle loading rifles are essentially a modern single shot rifle.
They look and operate very much like a sporting rifle and allow
accurate shots at distances up to 200 yards with the use of saboted,
jacketed bullets and Pyrodex Pellets, these rifles can be reloaded in
seconds and the use of shotgun primers for ignition allows them to be
used in any type of weather. Numerous accessories, such as high power
scopes and polymer tipped projectiles, make modern muzzle-loaders as
convenient and dangerous as any rifle or shotgun.

This bill would restore the Legislature's original intent to prevent
prohibited persons' (those convicted of felonies, serious offenses or
have been certified not to possess a rifle or shotgun) from lawfully
possessing muzzle-loading or black powder rifles, shotguns or firearms.

LEGISLATIVE HISTORY:
A.11459 of 2010

FISCAL IMPLICATIONS:
None.

EFFECTIVE DATE:
On the 180th day after becoming a law.

Opposition to Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Purchases by N.Y. State .

2011-07-13T16:27:00.000-04:00

N.Y.S. Conservation Council
Action Alert
Opposition to Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Purchases by N.Y. State .

Good afternoon:

I am communicating with you today to ask you to weigh in as a taxpayer and member of the sporting community regarding opposition to the Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Purchases by N.Y. State .

Recently D.E.C. Officials have stated publicly that the department plans on fulfilling its commitment to purchasing the Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Lands . The Finch Pruyn Lands (60 Thousand +- Acres) are located in the towns of Newcomb, Indian Lake, North Hudson, Minerva and Long Lake and Follensby Pond (14Thousand +- Acres) is located outside of Tupper Lake .
Combined purchase price for both pieces of land is estimated at 70 million dollars. Currently the lands are leased by clubs and there are many hunting cabins on the lands and many miles of roads utilized for logging and sporting access. If the State buys the lands in fee and they are designated as wilderness things will change drastically. Cabins removed, clubs disbanded, roads closed and no motorized vehicle access. Essentially the lands will be inaccessible to the majority of sportsmen and women and taxpayers. In addition, sustainable forestry will be terminated and businesses associated with it will be devastated.

A more reasonable approach to conserving the resources of these beautiful areas would be for the State to purchase Conservation Easements on these lands and purchase in fee several sensitive areas as the attached letter to Governor Cuomo suggests.

Please forward this alert to others with an interest in maintaining access for all instead of a select few and those interested in sustaining the sporting traditions. Please weigh in!

To send a comment to Governor Cuomo and key elected officials:

1. Highlight the letter below starting with the date and ending before the solid black line across the page. Then click edit, then copy.
July 12, 2011

The Honorable Andrew M. Cuomo
Governor of New York State
NYS State Capitol Building
Albany , NY 12224
Re: Support For Conservation Easements on Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Lands

Opposition to Fee Purchase of these lands by New York State .

Dear Governor Cuomo:

As a taxpayer and member of the sporting community I oppose the fee purchase of the Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond lands by N.Y. State .

As a taxpayer and sportsmen I support the Conservation Easement option as a more reasonable approach to conserving the natural resources, maintaining sustainable forestry and local business, and providing access and recreational opportunities for a much broader cross section of outdoor enthusiasts.

I support the fee purchase of the site of the philosopher’s camp on Follensby Pond and the Ok Slip Falls and Hudson River Gorge on the Finch Pruyn Lands.

The reason for my position is as follows:
As a taxpayer I am opposed to the purchases which are estimated to amount to 70 Million dollars. At a time when thousands are without jobs in N.Y.S. and thousands are about to be laid off, college tuitions are being raised and we are cutting back educational opportunities and health care programs I don’t believe N.Y.S. can afford such an extravagant expenditure of funds. Additionally, the purchase and subsequent classification will devastate the sustainable forest industry in the area and deal a death blow to small businesses already struggling.

As an active member of the sporting community I adamantly oppose the purchase because the Finch Pruyn and Follensby Pond Lands that are located in the Adirondack Park will most certainly be classified as wilderness. As such the sporting community and their families will no longer be able to enjoy these beautiful areas; with the purchase 200 hunting cabins will be torn down and hundreds of sportsmen and women displaced, invasive species management will become impossible; small businesses will suffer a loss of business from the sporting community and only an elite few will be able to enjoy the area.

Please use your authority to stop these fee purchases; we cannot afford it, it is not the best way to conserve the natural resources for all to enjoy, to sustain the critical forestry industry or to sustain local businesses in these small communities.

Thank-you for your consideration regarding this very important decision!

Sincerely yours,

Name:

Address:

C. Senator Mark Grisanti, Chair Encon. Committee
Senator Betty Little
Senator John A. DeFrancisco, Chair Finance Committee
Commissioner Martens __________________________________________________________________________

2. Click the following link http://www.governor.ny.gov/contact/GovernorContactForm.php

3. Complete the required contact information and in the subject box type: Opposition to Purchase of Finch And Follensby Lands and under topics scroll to bottom of the list and click "other".

4. Move your cursor to the comment box and go to edit then paste to place the comment in the email. Then answer the question and hit submit form. Your comment will be sent to Governor Cuomo. Close out the Governor's home page, which should take you back to the action alert.

5. To copy key elected officials click the link below on the far left to open an email message. When the email opens be sure all recipients are listed. Copy others as you see fit such as your elected officials.

little@nysenate.gov;jdefranc@nysenate.gov;grisanti@nysenate.gov

6. In the subject section type "Opposition to Finch and Follensby Purchase"

7. Move your cursor to the text box and go to edit then paste to place the comment in the email.

8. Fill in your name and address, title, etc. at the bottom of the e-mail.

9. Hit send and your comment will be sent to the key Elected Officials.

Modify comments as you see fit and add your own lead in and closing statements.
10. To copy Commissioner Martens click the link below. Complete the required contact information. Under the subject section enter "Opposition to Finch and Follensby Purchase". Go to the comment section and hit paste; the comment will be placed in the e-mail. Complete the name and address section, hit send and a copy of your communication to Governor Cuomo will be sent to Commissioner Martens. Close out the DEC page.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/407.html

11. It is important that the Governor receive some hard copies. To send a hard copy open the attachment and print.

If you need assistance or have questions, please let me know.

Thank-you for taking the time to express your opinion on this very important issue. Please act today!

Walt Paul
NYS Conservation Council
Access and Land Use Specialist

For more information and updates visit us at www.nyscc.com. The New York State Conservation Council is the oldest Conservation organization in N.Y.S. The mission of the Council is to conserve, protect, restore and perpetuate forests, wildlife and scenic and recreational areas. If you are not a member go to http://www.nyscc.com/getinvolved/membershipinformation.html

to lend your support!

Rochester Tea Party (7-3-2011) Ralph Esposito - SCOPE

2011-07-11T20:01:00.000-04:00

Shooters Committee on Political Education

NYS CONSERVATION COUNCIL, INC. 2011 Resolutions

2011-07-06T18:13:00.000-04:00

Here is the final list of resolutions that will be discused at the fall meeting.

NYS CONSERVATION COUNCIL, INC. 2011 RESOLUTIONS

Subject: Antler Restrictions / Deer Management / Yearling Buck Protection

1-11 Nassau County

Whereas it is the opinion of the Nassau County Federation that deer populations in New York State, especially buck numbers, are currently substantially down from previous numbers in many areas and the herd must be restored;

Whereas New York’s basic deer management strategies regimes are almost 100 years old, as the 3 inch antler definition of a legal buck was adopted in 1911 and do not reflect recently emerging advances and techniques provided for by scientific deer management;

Whereas the deer herd should be restored in a balanced and biologically sound way by increasing the buck to doe ratio by increasing the numbers and age of the buck population;

Whereas implementation of new deer management techniques and harvest regimes could substantially increase deer hunter participation and satisfaction, and ultimately provide a better and more efficient tool to achieve the levels of annual deer harvest needed for better herd management;

Whereas there is growing interest among New York hunters to refine their role as deer herd managers and expand their hunting opportunities and satisfactions, including the opportunity to pursue and take more mature bucks and create adult sex ratios that are in balance with deer herd health;

Whereas the County Federations have reported from areas such as Ulster County, Sullivan County, Greene County, Schoharie County and other areas have overwhelming support for improving buck hunting in their local area;

Whereas the DEC implemented antler harvest restrictions in 2005 in Ulster County in two units and in 2006 in Sullivan County in two units and sportsmen are happy with the program and would like to expand the program to include additional adjoining counties;

Whereas the expansion to include additional units is also supported by NYSCC members Sullivan County Federation of Sportsmen, Ulster County Federation of Sportsmen, Greene County Federation of Sportsmen, Schoharie County Conservation Association, Dutchess County Federation of Sportsmen, Suffolk Alliance of Sportsmen, Nassau County Fish and Game, NYSWMC, and QDMA;

Whereas improved buck hunting could establish a statewide precedent and have far reaching implications;

Whereas as a large number of the hunters in many of the counties that are requesting antler harvest restrictions are made up of metropolitan hunters (NYC and Long Island) are primarily from long Island such as Unit 3A - 87 of 435 hunters, or 20% total of which 60 of the 87, or 69% are Long Island Hunters, Unit 4G – 99 of 647 hunters, or 15% total, of which 70 of the 99, or 70% are Long Island Hunters, Unit 4R – 154 of 434 hunters, or 35% total, of which 103 of the 154, or 67% are Long Island Hunters Unit 4S – 35 of 328 hunters, or 11% total, of which 21 of the 35, or 60% are Long Island Hunters, Unit 4W – 338 of 899 hunters, or 38% total, of which 217 of the 338 hunters, from the DEC Reported Hunt Activity for 2009 furnished by Div. of Fish, wildlife, and Marine Resources;

Whereas, as a result of informal polling of its member clubs, it is the opinion of the Nassau County Federation that an overwhelming number of those regular season hunters in the other counties who reside on Long Island are in favor of antler harvest restrictions;

Whereas improved buck hunting will benefit all New York hunters who wish to hunt in these areas;

Whereas, although they are not residents, many metropolitan hunters own property in the units in question and they are licensed hunters in NY State that have exhausted all other avenues at their disposal so this issue has now become statewide since they have not been able to effect regulatory change, it may now require legislation to effect a change; and so it is the opinion of Nassau County that members of the NYSCC should support their fellow NYSCC members on this resolution requesting antler harvest restrictions;

Whereas sportsmen with the support of their communities requested the DEC improve buck hunting by implementing yearling buck protection in 2009, the DEC withdrew the proposal and other remedies, including sportsmen, community and political efforts, have not been successful in accomplishing this requested change;

BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC position be that an alternative deer harvest strategy that includes antler harvest restrictions needed to achieve greater levels of maturity among the buck segment of the deer population be implemented in wildlife management units that have the support of the majority of local NYSCC member county federations, such as unit 3A, 4G, 4R, 4S and 4W on an unit by unit basis and that NYSCC advocate for and support regulation and legislative change to implement said position including conveying said support in writing to the DEC.

Contact: Charles A. Bevilacqua, 3 Albert Avenue, Syosset, NY 11791 516/921-1429-H

Resolution Committee: The Resolution Committee was evenly split on whether this was a regional issue or one of statewide significance. The committee decided to pass it on to the appropriate topic specific committees for their input.

Big Game Committee: Support – vote: 6 support, 4 oppose

Comments: It was agreed by members of the Big Game Committee that, considering the similarities of the above resolutions, to handle as one issue, rather than five separate initiatives as to save time and debate, as points for and against each measure would be the same.

Supporters of the resolutions state this is a “home rule” issue and should be respected, despite comments from supporters indicating no definition of “home rule” exists (some comments express a county issue, while others derive “home rule” is on a WMU basis.)
Opponents believe this remains a state issue, as, beyond the lack of a “home rule” definition, by state law, wildlife, including deer, are owned by the people of the state (regardless of county the deer may be residing in), with management being the responsibility of the state (as deer can readily cross WMU and County borders).

Support for “AR” as a local issue is largely justified by opinion surveys, designed without involvement of the Big Game Committee (no vetting), yet answers to concerns brought by regions opposed to the rule-making such as validity of stated claims that “AR” will improve hunter numbers, youth involvement and increased appeal to non-resident tourism, remain unaddressed by supporters. Additional questions concerning sustainability of “AR” initiatives, an element demanded by the North American Wildlife Conservation Model, and the lack of
evidence of the biological issues claimed that will be addressed (trickle rut harming herd, State shows no evidence of existence of “trickle rut” to be addressed), further compounds the challenges to making a wise decision.

With sportsmen unity of paramount importance, the road to discovery of essential facts will create more unity than debate over public opinion surveys and personal desire, while aiding in preventing potentially poor decisions, largely made to “keep the peace.”

By vote of the Big Game Committee, the combined resolutions passed by a 6 For, 4 Against margin. It is clear that positions across the State have not changed. However, by vote the committee has chosen to endorse the loosely defined “home rule” aspect.

Recommendation: SUPPORT, however, this issue remains a divisive and contentious issue within the ranks of Big Game Hunters, demanding very careful examination of all information available, to reach the wisest decision possible.

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 7 support, 2 oppose
The archery committee was strong on this group of resolutions. An overwhelming
number of archery committee members and regions were willing to work with others
sportsmen from the Southeastern Region of the state that have a strong desire and need
for this program. The presentation by Dick Henry before the committee meeting was
outstanding showing how this program can reduce predator populations.

A comprehensive report on yearling buck protection in AR pilot area revealed that
yearling harvest has gone down to only 15% of the harvest and adult bucks now make up
85% of the harvest. Jeremy Hurst, DEC Deer Biologist stated that this is correct and that
this is what we (the DEC) expected from the program. Prior to the ARs the harvest was
57%+ yearling bucks. There has been a steady increase in the harvest of 2.5 and 3.5 year
old bucks since the AR program began. The 3.5 year old harvest is now 36% of the
harvest. This represents a 258% increase in number of 3.5 year old bucks being taken.
For comparison, statewide less than 15% of the bucks harvested are 3.5 years old.
DEC survey, March 2009, showed strong support in the areas submitting resolutions of
67% in favor of Antler Restrictions in the proposed areas. The AR expansion supporters
list presented was extensive showing grass roots community support.

The majority of the committee felt AR resolutions are about supporting fellow sportsmen
who know what is best in their area’s habitat and that the program has demonstrated
positive results.

Legislative Committee: Oppose vote: 0 support, 4 oppose
Comments :
• The Legislative Committee takes the position that this resolution is not based on sound biological science.
• Management control should not go through a legislative process it should be left to the DEC.

2-11 NYS Chapter, Quality Deer Management Association

Whereas it is sound deer biology to have a balanced age structure of bucks in the herd;

Whereas many deer biologists support protecting yearling bucks in order to promote a balanced herd structure and sound deer management;

Whereas New York State buck harvests are comprised of 59% yearlings according to DEC harvest 2009, http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/63042.html, one of the highest percentages of any state in the nation, see page 7, QDMA Whitetail Report 2011 http://www.qdma.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Whitetail-Report-2011-low-res.pdf and;

Whereas the NYSCQDMA “we” are confident in the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation deer biologists’ ability to establish a standard that will protect the majority of yearling bucks while making the majority of other age classes available for harvest;

Whereas we are also confident in the abilities of New York State Department of Environmental Conservation deer biologists to objectively monitor the effects of any such program created in New York;

Whereas a Cornell HDRU 2007 survey found that 59% of hunters statewide supported protecting yearling bucks;

Whereas sportsmen such as the federations of Sullivan, Ulster, Greene, and Schoharie counties have requested implementing an antler restriction program of three one inch points on one side that was designed to protect the majority of yearling bucks by DEC biologists in certain areas such as: WMUs 3A, 4G, 4R, 4S and 4W as the DEC stated at http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/arcatskill09.pdf;

Whereas we are comfortable with the levels of support and opposition in each WMU as determined by the spring 2009 hunter surveys, public meetings and public input;

Whereas furthermore we commend the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation willingness to adopt new and progressive strategies to protect the majority of yearling bucks in the above-mentioned WMUs;

Whereas furthermore we offer our assistance to help New York State Department of Environmental Conservation staff to educate and/or inform sportsmen and women on the proposed changes;

BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC take any and all steps to assist the DEC to adopt progressive strategies to protect the majority of yearling bucks in the above-mentioned WMUs as requested by NYSCC member county federations and that immediately a letter be sent to the DEC strongly encouraging them to adopt yearling buck protection in requested WMU’s.

Contact: NYS QDMA John Rybinski, john101@windstream.net

Resolution Committee: The Resolution Committee was evenly split on whether this was a regional issue or one of statewide significance. The committee decided to pass it on to the appropriate topic specific committees for their input.

Big Game Committee: Support - vote: 6 support, 4 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 7 support, 2 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

3-11 Schoharie County

Whereas the white tail deer population in New York State, especially the buck numbers, is currently down from previous years in many areas, and the herd needs to be restored;
Whereas New York State's deer management models are nearly 100 years old as the 3 inch antler definition of a legal buck was adopted in 1911 and may not reflect the recent advances and techniques provided by some newer scientific deer management models;

Whereas the white tail deer herd might be restored by increasing the buck to doe ratio, thereby increasing the number and age of the buck population;

Whereas the proposed implementation of new white tail deer management techniques and harvest programs may increase deer hunter participation and satisfaction, thereby resulting in an improved and more efficient tool to achieve a raised level of annual deer harvest numbers needed for better herd management;

Whereas there is growing interest among New York State white tail deer hunters to participate in deer herd management, and to expand hunting opportunities and raise satisfaction levels, by increasing the opportunity to pursue and harvest mature bucks and create adult sex ratios that are in balance with deer herd health;

Whereas the NYS DEC implemented antler harvest restrictions in 2005 in Ulster County in two WMU units, and in 2006 two WMU units in Sullivan County. The white tail deer hunters report satisfaction with the program in these areas, and would like to expand the program to include additional counties including more upstate counties in Region 4;

Whereas Schoharie County is centrally located in the NYSDEC Region 4 and has overwhelming support for improving white tail deer hunting in their local area; and proposes that WMU 4G, a unit largely within the boundaries of Schoharie' County, be included in the implementation of an antler harvest restriction program;

Whereas the DEC March 2009 survey of hunters that hunt in Unit 4G, including those from outside the area found that 65% supported adopting an antler restriction of 3 points on one side;

Whereas the expansion to include Unit 4G is also supported by several county conservation federations including the Schoharie County Conservation Association, and QDMA. This expansion would provide the first WMU in the upstate area of New York State, affording more upstate area whitetail deer hunters the opportunity to experience hunting in an area with an alternative deer harvest strategy program in place.

BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC shall support an alternative deer harvest strategy that may include antler harvest restrictions, to achieve a greater level of maturity and numbers among bucks of certain area deer populations, and that such programs be supported and implemented in the NYSDEC Wildlife Management Units that have the support of the local NYSCC member county conservation or sportsman federations.

Contact: Dave Wood, 518-827-4155, dlwood@midtel.net
Doug Handy, 518-295-7779 dchandy513@aol.com

Resolution Committee: The Resolution Committee was evenly split on whether this was a regional issue or one of statewide significance. The committee decided to pass it on to the appropriate topic specific committees for their input.

Big Game Committee: Support – vote: 6 support, 4 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 7 support, 2 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

4-11 Sullivan County Improving Buck Hunting

Whereas deer populations in New York State, especially buck numbers, are currently substantially down from previous numbers in many areas and the herd must be restored;

Whereas New York’s basic deer (buck) management strategies regimes are almost 100 years old as the 3 inch antler definition of a legal buck was adopted in 1911 and do not reflect recently emerging advances and techniques provided for by scientific deer management;

Whereas the deer herd should be restored in a balanced and biologically sound way by increasing the buck to doe ratio by increasing the numbers and age of the buck population;

Whereas implementation of new deer management techniques and harvest regimes could substantially increase deer hunter participation and satisfaction, and ultimately provide a better and more efficient tool to achieve the levels of annual deer harvest needed for better herd management;

Whereas there is growing interest among New York hunters to refine their role as deer herd managers and expand their hunting opportunities and satisfactions, including the opportunity to pursue and take more mature bucks and create adult sex ratios that are in balance with deer herd health;

Whereas certain areas such as Sullivan County have overwhelming support for improving buck hunting in their local area;

Whereas the DEC implemented antler harvest restrictions in 2006 in Sullivan County in two units and the sportsmen of Sullivan Federation are happy with the program and would like to expand the program to include the remainder of the county contained in Unit 3A;

Whereas the expansion to include Unit 3A is also supported by NYSCC members Ulster County Federation of Sportsmen, Greene County Federation of Sportsmen, Schoharie County Conservation Association, Dutchess County Federation of Sportsmen, Suffolk Alliance of Sportsmen, Nassau County Fish and Game, NYSWMC and QDMA;

Whereas improved buck hunting could establish a statewide precedent and have far reaching implications;

Whereas improved buck hunting will benefit all New York hunters who wish to hunt in this region;

Whereas sportsmen, with the support of their communities, requested the DEC improve buck hunting by implementing yearling buck protection for unit 3A in 2005, 2006, 2009 and 2010 and the DEC did not adopt the proposal and other remedies, such as meetings with DEC regional staff, DEC Albany staff, DEC Commissioner Grannis and efforts on our behalf by Senators, Assembly Members and County Legislators, have not been successful in accomplishing this requested change;

BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC position be that an alternative deer harvest strategy that includes antler harvest restrictions needed to achieve greater levels of maturity among the buck segment of the deer population be implemented in wildlife management units that have the support of the majority of local NYSCC member county sportsmen federations, such as unit 3A, on a unit by unit basis and that NYSCC advocate for and support regulation and legislative change to implement said position including conveying said support in writing to the DEC.

Contact: David Hartman, PO Box 191, Grahamsville NY 12740 845/985-0087

Resolution Committee: The Resolution Committee was evenly split on whether this was a regional issue or one of statewide significance. The committee decided to pass it on to the appropriate topic specific committees for their input.

Big Game Committee: Support – vote: 6 support, 4 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 7 support, 2 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Legislative Committee: Oppose - vote: 0 support, 4 oppose
Comments :
• The Legislative Committee takes the position that this resolution is not based on sound biological science.
• Management control should not go through a legislative process it should be left to the DEC.

5-11 Ulster County

Whereas deer populations in New York State, especially buck numbers, are currently substantially down from previous numbers in many areas and the herd must be restored;

Whereas New York’s basic deer management strategies and practices are almost -100 years old as the 3 inch antler definition of a legal buck was adopted in 1911 and do not reflect recent advances and techniques rapidly emerging from the science of deer management;

Whereas the deer herd should be restored in a balanced and biologically sound way by increasing the buck to doe ratio by increasing the numbers-and age of the buck population;

Whereas implementation of new deer management techniques and harvest regimes could substantially increase deer hunter participation and satisfaction, and ultimately provide a better and more efficient tool to achieve the levels of annual deer harvest currently needed for better overall herd management;

Whereas there is growing interest among New York hunters to refine their role as deer herd managers and expand their hunting opportunities and satisfactions, including the opportunity to pursue and take more mature bucks and create adult sex ratios that are in balance with deer herd health;

Whereas certain areas, such as Ulster County, have demonstrated strong local support for improving buck hunting in their local area;

Whereas the DEC implemented antler harvest restrictions in 2005 in Ulster County in two units and the sportsmen of New York who hunt in the affected WMU's are satisfied with the antler restriction program and furthermore would like to expand the program to include the remainder of the county that includes WMU 3A;

Whereas the expansion to include Unit 3A is also supported by Sullivan County Federation of Sportsmen, Greene County Federation of Sportsmen, Schoharie County Conservation Association, Duchess County Federation of Sportsmen, Suffolk Alliance of Sportsmen, Nassau County Fish and Game, NYS Chapter of the Quality Deer Management Association, Ulster County Farm Bureau, Delaware County Farm Bureau, Sullivan County Farm Bureau and Schoharie County Farm Bureau;

Whereas improved buck hunting could serve to promote hunter participation and enhance long term hunter satisfaction;

BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC support an alternative deer harvest strategy that includes antler harvest restrictions needed to achieve greater levels of maturity among the buck segment of the deer population in Wildlife Management Units that have the support of the majority of local NYSCC member county. sportsmen's federations, such as WMU 3A, on a unit by unit basis and NYSCC advocate for and support regulation and legislative change to implement said position including conveying said support in writing to the DEC;

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the DEC embrace, coordinate and promptly adopt such strategies.

Contact:
Jay Martin, P.O. Box 275, Accord, NY 12404
845/626-7659 captainjaymartin@yahoo.com
Jim Smiseth, 845/687-0738 vidajimtwc1@aol.com

Resolution Committee: The Resolution Committee was evenly split on whether this was a regional issue or one of statewide significance. The committee decided to pass it on to the appropriate topic specific committees for their input.

Big Game Committee: Support – vote: 6 support, 4 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 7 support, 2 oppose
See comments for 1-11 Nassau County

Legislative Committee: Oppose - vote: 0 support, 4 oppose
Comments :
• The Legislative Committee takes the position that this resolution is not based on sound biological science.
• Management control should not go through a legislative process it should be left to the DEC.

Subject: Home Rule

6-11 Dutchess County

Resolution To Introduce An NYSCC Policy To Support and Promote Home Rule

Whereas the New York State Conservation Council, Inc. (hereafter the Council) is a state-wide organization whose member clubs, organizations and individual members, represent are from all nine (9) DEC Regions and nearly all of the state's 62 counties.

Whereas it has been become increasingly apparent that the interests and expectations of the Council members have become more complex and more diverse in recent years.

Whereas it is with increasing frequency that issues being debated in Council meetings and among members could have been more effectively resolved at the local and regional level.

Whereas these debates have distracted the full body of the Council from focusing on issues of state-wide implication and importance.

Whereas the primary purpose of a resolution is to delineate a position for the New York State Conservation Council on matters of STATE-WIDE SIGNIFICANCE, ergo, resolutions should not be entertained by the Council if they have limited application or their adoption would resolve what is a local or regional issue.

Whereas most local issues can be resolved by promulgation of a State Regulation by an appropriate agency, department, authority via a Rule Change as stipulated by State law; or through a Local Law as adopted by a municipal or county government, the Council should encourage the interested parties to resolve the issue without Council involvement and the Council should encourage the interested parties to exercise their fundamental right to Home Rule.

And Whereas when the Council takes a formal position on a local or regional issue it unnecessarily undermines a County's or Region's right to and expectation of Home Rule.

BE IT THEREFORE RESOLVED that the Council – by policy – will no longer take a formal position on any issue which can be resolved at the Local or Regional level; and as a matter of policy the Council will no longer entertain Resolutions which do not clearly define the need for Council involvement and at a minimum only resolutions which by necessity would require a change to State Law, Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) or adoption of a State-Wide Regulation, or have an abundantly clear State-wide implication, and lacking such will not be considered by the full body of delegates.

Contact:
Kevin Haight – Dutchess County Delegate NYSCC
William R. Conners – Dutchess County Legislative Vice President

Resolution Committee: Support. The Resolution Committee voted to support this resolution. This resolution strengthens many of the procedures already in place for the resolution process and makes them a formal policy of the NYSCC. It better defines a regional issue verses one of state-wide significance. The committee did have some reservations in that this may limit the ability of the council to support/oppose some resolutions.

Legislative Committee: Legislative Committee: Oppose - vote: 0 support, 4 oppose
Comments:
• It is hard to define local versus state wide issues.
• If this resolution was adopted it could limit the involvement of the NYSCC on issues not clearly defined as a state wide or local issue.

Subject: Coyotes

7-11 Erie County

Coyote Reclassification

WHEREAS Coyote populations in NYS continue to rise, and,

WHEREAS Coyote/ Human conflicts, including coyote attacks on persons and pets, have risen at an alarming rate, as illustrated by recent news stories reported by: MSNBC (6/30/2010)*1, NY Times (7/2/2010)*2 , the Greenwich Times (7/7/2010)*3 , NBCNY (1/27/2010)*4 , UPI (July 1, 2010)*5 , the LA Times (7/20/2010)*6, WIVB-Buffalo (4/16/2009)*7 and,

WHEREAS impacts of Coyote predation on many species of wildlife, including whitetail deer fawns, pheasants, turkeys and other wildlife suggests negative impacts on other wildlife populations, as indicated by SUNY-ESF coyote study*9, Dr. Jacqueline Frair, and,

WHEREAS current classification of Coyote as a protected furbearer acts as a detriment to effective management due to closed season protection, and,

WHEREAS increasing Coyote numbers has also increased health concerns due to increased potentials for rabies exposure to people and their pets, as evidenced by September 8, 2010 Associated Press Article entitled “Rabies found in New York coyote that attacked people in Westchester County”*8, and,

WHEREAS provisions in the NYS Environmental Conservation Law, 11-0523, provides for the taking of destructive or menacing wildlife without a permit
(§ 11-0523. Destructive or menacing wildlife; taking without permit.
1 - Owners and lessees and members of their immediate families actually occupying or cultivating lands, and persons authorized in writing and actually employed by them in cultivating such lands, may take (a) unprotected wildlife other than birds and (b) starlings, common crows and, subject to section 11-0513, pigeons, when such wildlife is injuring their property or has become a nuisance thereon. Such taking may be done in any manner, notwithstanding any provision of the Fish and Wildlife Law, except section 11-0513, or the Penal Law or any other law.
6 - Raccoons, coyotes or fox injuring private property may be taken by the owner, occupant or lessee thereof, or an employee or family member of such owner, occupant or lessee, at any time in any manner.
8. No license or permit from the department is required for any taking authorized by this section.)
with section 6 of this provision specifically identifying coyote as a destructive or menacing species, and,

WHEREAS many eastern states surrounding NY either classify Coyote as “varmint”, or have no closed season or other protections whatsoever, and,

WHEREAS recent alterations in regulations concerning season length, bag limits and pelt sealing have shown ineffective in enhancing Coyote management in NYS,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the NYSCC pursue a change in regulation with the NYS DEC to reclassify the Coyote as an “unprotected wildlife species”, eliminating all protections from this menacing and destructive species in NYS.

Contact for more information:
Rich Davenport, 716-510-7952
Email: rich@weloveoutdoors.com

Coyote info sources/ links:

*1 - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38015001/ns/us_news-life/
*2 - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/03/nyregion/03coyotes.html
*3 - http://www.greenwichtime.com/local/article/Greenwich-father-and-daughter-shaken-after-N-Y-648606.php
*4 - http://www.nbcnewyork.com/on-air/as-seen-
on/Coyote_Attack_in_Westchester_County_Prompts_Search_New_York.html
*5 - http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/07/01/Coyotes-attack-children-in-Rye-NY/UPI-33321278014478/
*6 - http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/20/nation/la-na-ny-coyotes-20100720
*7 - http://www.wivb.com/dpp/news/Coyote_attacks_local_man_20090416
*8 - http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2010/09/rabies_found_in_new_york_coyot.html
*9 - http://www.esf.edu/efb/frair/coyote/coyote_main.htm

Legislative Committee: Vote: none
Comment:
• If past it would take management control / authority away from the DEC.

Big Game Committee: Oppose - vote: 4 support, 6 opposed.
Comments: Big Game Committee was split concerning the resolution to re-classify the Coyote and eliminate seasonal protections to allow hunting of this species year-round. Although damage to other wildlife appears on the rise, and human-coyote conflicts are becoming a difficult public safety issue, not enough information exists yet to get behind this initiative. By vote of the Big Game Committee, the measure failed to pass by a vote of 4 support, 6 opposed.
Recommendation: OPPOSED

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support – vote: 5 support, 4 oppose
The committee voted in favor of Erie County Coyote reclassification. Members felt that
the coyotes are having a severe impact on the deer and small game populations. It was
shown by Dick Henry, DEC Retired, in his presentation that increasing the number of
bucks on the landscape would help reduce the fawns available to predators such as
coyotes. Perhaps this would have a greater impact on the Coyote population. Gordon
Batcheller of the DEC stated he was against the reclassification stating that Coyotes have
value, apparently speaking on behalf of the trappers. To Committee members Deer have
a much higher value. Committee voted 5 in favor and 4 opposed.

Small Game Committee: Oppose - vote: 2 support, 3 opposed
.There was a discussion on the regulation protecting coyotes in the Spring when their young are born. Some felt that the matter should be left up to the DEC and others reasoned that their numbers were increasing throughout NYS and that a closed season was no longer justified.

Fur Resources Committee: Oppose
We felt the "coyote" resolution made statements that are simply not fact, and also felt the coyote is a resource of value. Listing the coyote as a "varmint" detracts from that status. We also realize that attempting to create a hunting season during a time of the year when coyote pups were being born, may not glean a lot of support from the DEC or others.

Subject: Firearms

8-11 YATES COUNTY

In Support of Amendment of Article 400 of the Penal Law of the State of New York To Provide for a "Shall-Issue” Standard for Pistol Permits in the State-of New York

WHEREAS, Section 400.00 of the Penal Law of the State of New York, entitled "Licenses to carry, possess, repair and dispose of firearms." Is the statute which is applicable to the issuance and administration of pistol permits in the State of New York; and

WHEREAS, Section 400.00 of the Penal Law applies no meaningful objective standard for the issuance of pistol permits to residents of the State of New York as it is presently constituted; and

WHEREAS, each City and County has a separate "licensing officer" who is responsible for processing and issuance of pistol permits; and

WHEREAS, the lack of meaningful objective standards for the issuance of pistol permits has resulted in a patchwork of policies for issuance of permits, with the licensing
officers' various philosophical position on guns often being the controlling criteria in the issuance of pistol permits; and

WHEREAS, the lack of an objective standard for the issuance of pistol permits to residents of the State is a denial of the due process of law; and

WHEREAS, the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America provides that: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"; and

WHEREAS, recent Federal case law and opinions of the Attorney General of the United States have held that such Second Amendment rights extend to individuals and is not limited collectively to the states; and

WHEREAS, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America provides that no state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the
privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; and

WHEREAS, the right to keep and bear arms is such a privilege; and

WHEREAS, the recent Supreme Court rulings in the Heller and McDonald cases have confirmed that the right to keep and bear arms extend to the individual through the Second and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution; and

WHEREAS, Section 400.00 of the Penal Law presently abridges the right to keep and bear arms as a result of the arbitrary and capricious provisions thereof and accordingly appears to be "unconstitutional" pursuant to the standards of the Heller and McDonald• Supreme Court decisions; and;

WHEREAS, the majority of the various states of the United states have adopted "shall issue" legislation applicable to the issuance of pistol permits; and .

WHEREAS, there is vast evidence and statistical data establishing that, in states where "shall issue" standards for pistol permits have been implemented, the incidence of violent crimes has diminished.

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, THAT
The New York State Conservation Council initiate and support legislation to amend Section 400.00 of the Penal Law of the State of New York to provide for "shall issue" standards to be applicable to the issuance of pistol permits to residents of the State of New York and provide that pistol permits shall be issued to applicants therefore except when good cause is shown why the applicant should not be issued a pistol permit. Good cause shall be limited to prior felony conviction, serious mental illness, alcohol or substance addiction or other cause of similar magnitude.

Legislative Committee: Support - vote: 4 support, 0 oppose
Comments: None

Firearms & Ammunition Committee: Oppose
1. While we share the frustration of the authors with the sometimes seemingly arbitrary decisions that come out of the pistol licensing system, resolution will be a complex task. This proposal does not clearly state a clearly defined problem nor include a specific solution.

2. It is unlikely that any court will find the section 400 of the NYS Penal Law unconstitutional. While its application in individual cases may be subject to challenge, the overall law appears compliant with the Heller decision. One can argue that the 2nd Amendment is absolute and that any restriction or condition imposed by the state is infringing on a fundamental right. The fact remains, however, that in the political world, under real laws and in real courts, every constitutional right is subject to some level of regulation or restriction. As a matter of law, the 2nd Amendment means what Antonin Scalia wrote in the majority opinion of the Supreme Court in District of Columbia v. Heller. Heller did establish that the right to keep and bear arms was an individual not a collective right. Nevertheless, the majority opinion did clearly state that this right is not absolute. Governments can regulate firearms for legitimate state interests; they just cannot do so in a manner that is a defacto a ban.

3. Possession in dwellings or place of business is shall issue and is rarely an issue. Licenses for hunting and/or target use are usually issued but do sometimes reflect some judicial creativity.

4. The question of judicial discretion with respect to the issuance of concealed carry licenses has been litigated multiple times and has been upheld every time under state law. The licensing officer may, and in fact is expected, to make subjective judgments as to the fitness of applicants to receive licenses. The law gives them considerable discretionary authority and this authority has been upheld in litigation. The problem arises when they impose their personal or local political philosophy rather than use the fair and reasonable standards on which these decisions were intended to be based. This has resulted in a lack of consistency in the administration of a system that was intended to function statewide with uniform criteria and administrative procedure.

5. A fully satisfactory solution will require a rewriting of this entire section of the law. This is an issue which has significant ramifications across the criminal justice system. While the Council has an interest and can be expect to contribute, the leadership of this task is not within its scope of its responsibilities.

9-11 NIAGARA COUNTY

WHEREAS, the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation restricts the types of implements that can be used to hunt big game to certain locations within New York state, thus preventing New York State hunters from using rifles chambered for pistol cartridges in shotgun only New York State hunting zones;
WHEREAS, New York State hunters are required to use shotgun slugs with increased recoil and decreased accuracy to hunt big game in many hunting zones in New York State;
WHEREAS, New York State hunters are required to purchase more costly shotgun slugs to hunt big game in many hunting zones in New York State;
WHEREAS, younger and smaller New York State hunters are deterred from participating in big game hunting because they are prohibited from using rifles chambered for pistol cartridges which are easier for smaller or younger hunters to handle. Lower recoil levels in rifles chambered for pistol cartridges versus shotguns would enable younger and smaller hunters to participate and become proficient by increased practice and lower cost ammunition.
WHEREAS, using rifles chambered for pistol cartridges in big game hunting in expanded areas of New York State would attract more sportsmen to big game hunting, New York State firearm dealers would gain revenue;
WHEREAS, increased sales of pistol cartridges to hunters that are attracted to big game hunting by the ability to use implements that fit their physical stature would lead to increased excise tax funds available for wildlife research and conservation efforts;
WHEREAS, the flexibility to chose a hunting implement that fits the physical and marksmanship abilities of the individual hunter would increase the number of licensed hunters in New York State;
WHEREAS, the use of rifles chambered for pistol cartridges for big game hunting is allowed in sister states that have established case length restrictions to preclude the use of cartridges with lower power and cartridges with higher velocities, New York State hunters are prohibited from practicing hunting for big game with rifles chambered for pistol cartridges and preparing for a safe hunt in these states;
WHEREAS, under this resolution rifles that would be considered legal must fire a cartridge with a bullet of .357 inch diameter or larger; have a minimum case length of 1.16 inches and a maximum case length of 1.625 inches. These rifles can used only during the deer firearms season. These restrictions preclude the use of cartridges with lower power and also cartridges with higher velocities normally found in what are consider "high power" hunting rifles legal in only portions of NY State.
The following cartridges are examples of those considered legal under this resolution:
.357 Mangum
.41 Magnum
.41 Special
.44Magnum
.44 Special
.44-40 Winchester
.45 Colt
.454 Casull
.458 SOCOM
.460 S&W
.480 Ruger
.475 Linebaugh
.50 Action Express
.500 S&W

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: that the NYS Conservation Council shall support and seek to amend the big game hunting laws to allow the use of rifles chambered for pistol cartridges for big game hunting in expanded areas of New York State.

Contact:
Kurt Schuler (Member of the Wilson Conservation Club) 3285 Coomer Road
Newfane, NY 14108 716-778-4603

Big Game Committee: Support: - vote: 6 support, 2 oppose, 2 abstentions.
Comments: Big Game Committee concluded this resolution from a Big Game standpoint is supportable, through the vote of 6 For, 2 Opposed, with 2 abstentions. Although no significant issues arose in opposition to this resolution, we believe it would be wise to also defer to the Firearms Committee for additional input, as this is an issue concerning firearms more so than Big Game hunting.

Recommendation: SUPPORT, based upon Firearms Committee recommendations

Legislation Committee : No Position - vote: none
Comment:
• Feel bill would be too confusing for Legislators
• Suggest pursuit of rifle use in Niagara County

Firearms & Ammunition Committee: Oppose
Committee feels that this resolution should be rejected.

1. The resolution repeatedly refers to “pistol cartridges.” While many cartridges are primarily used in pistols, there are no cartridges that are used exclusively for pistol ammunition. This proposal is evidence of that. Shooting and sportsmen’s’ organizations, including the NYSCC, are continually at pains to clarify this fact to legislators who introduce legislation intended to restrict access to “pistol ammunition” to holders pistol licenses. To request the NYSCC to lobby for legislation allowing for the use of pistol cartridges for big game hunting will be contrary to the NYSCC position and undermine ongoing efforts.

2. The definition provided is too complex for practical codification or enforcement. The proposal wishes to define the legal cartridges by a range of case lengths measured to the .001 of an inch. This not practical in a real world situation. ECO’s cannot be expected to carry calipers to verify case lengths. This difficulty is demonstrated by the fact that the authors include in their list of examples a cartridge not legal by the proposed definition ((.460 S&W has a case length of 1.8”).

3. The authors reference other states but provide no specific reference. Other states have different regulations that fit their specific geographic, population and hunter density conditions. They are not necessarily applicable to New York. New York hunters who wish to practice for hunting in other states can do so on shooting ranges. Changing NY hunting regulations to provide practice for other states is not a sound practice.

4. We are unconvinced that the recoil of shotguns legal under currently regulations is excessive for young or small-statured hunters. Shooters twelve (and in other states, younger) fire hundreds of 12 And 20 gauge shells a day in competitive events.

5 A more appropriate path would be to pursue the authorization of rifle hunting in the desired counties. This is certain to be considered a home rule issue and a request from the county legislature.

Subject: Conservation Fund Protection

10-11 Monroe County

State Conservation Fund Utilization
Whereas, there are more than 1.4 million resident sportsmen in the state of New York and
Whereas, the Conservation Fund, through the receipt of license fees, is the primary funding mechanism to support wildlife management in New York and
Whereas, revenue generated from hunting, fishing and outdoor recreation directly support wildlife conservation programs and provide substantial economic benefits to the New York economy, contributing more than $6billion to the state’s economy annually and
Whereas, New York State significantly increased sportsmen license fees in 2009 to generate additional revenue sales to cover fish and wildlife management and law enforcement support through the Conservation Fund and
Whereas, staff reductions and budget cuts at DEC are threatening the continued operations of fish stocking and other wildlife management programs and
Whereas, state budget shortfalls projected at greater than $42billion over the next 3 years have raised questions over the state’s continued commitment and support of wildlife management programs
BE IT RESOLVED that the New York Conservation Council, in support of New York sportsmen and outdoors-related economic interests, secure a commitment from the state legislature and Governor’s office that Conservation Funds be utilized for wildlife management programs only, not state debt relief, and that the state continue to provide adequate investment in its wildlife management programs for the enjoyment of its citizens and economic benefit to the state.
Contact Monroe County Conservation Council President, Dick Habes

Legislative Committee: Oppose – vote: 1 in favor – 4 oppose
Comments
• A law already exist to cover the intent of this resolution to protect the Conservation Fund money.
• Council President in committee has stated that a violation or going against the protection of the conservation fund would generate legal action.

Big Game Committee: Support - vote: 10 support – 0 oppose
Comments: Big Game Committee agreed it is of the utmost importance to protect the Conservation Fund. By vote of the Big Game Committee, we support this resolution with a unanimous 10-0 tally.

Small Game Committee: Support
Recommended that Monroe County resubmit the resolution to address the missing language in the resolution before the fall meeting.

Archery and Bowhunting Committee: Support - vote: 9 support – 0 oppose
Recent comments by politicians that the Conservation Fund was available to be “swept”
for other uses have brought this issue to the forefront. There are also reports that these
funds are not being released to wildlife programs. The archery committee was in full
agreement with the Conservation Funds being used only for fish and wildlife. Keeping a
close eye on funds is very important to sportsmen. Committee voted unanimous in favor.

Conservation Education Committee: Support
Committee support for this resolution unanimously. This resolution resolves to have the NYSCC support Sportsmen interests and secure a commitment from the state legislature and Governor that the Conservation Funds be utilized for wildlife management programs and not of state debt relief. Putting these funds matching Pittman Robertson funds in jeopardy.

Fish, Marine District, Environment Committee:

Fur Resources Committee: Oppose
We agree with it in premise but voted in opposition to the resolution because of wording.

In one of the Whereas; they state the recent license increase was to support law enforcement, and that is simply not true. I was present at the meetings of CFAB, and law enforcement support was not a part of the fee increase.

Also in the Whereas ; the way the resolution is written, it seems as though only wildlife programs would be protected. With modification (adding Fish), the FR Committee would support this resolution.

Habitat/Access & Forest Preserve & Public Lands Committee: Support
voted 8 in support; 1 opposed with a minor revision necessary – to replace all references to “wildlife” with “fish and wildlife”. Dick Habes, author of the resolution will make the appropriate revision.

Waterfowl Committee: - see comments
According to NYS Finance Law (Art. 83), DEC can legally take money from the Conservation Fund for the purpose of fulfilling member item obligations. The question raised is, “Will the dollars have to be replaced?”

One member feels that the resolution uses bad language, i.e. “secure a commitment.” Why “open up a can of worms” by reminding the legislature that we have a dedicated fund?

Nothing in the above quoted law says that no one other than DEC can spend those funds.

We support the intent of the resolution, but what is the next step? There is not a law or change or a regulation mentioned. Is the Council going to get some ball rolling or is it the responsibility of Monroe Co. to do it?

The committee supports “the intent” 3-0, but would like to see it rewritten with more specifics.

Sportsmen tell DEC "NO" to Antler Restrictions.

2011-07-06T00:27:00.000-04:00

IMHO:
For the life of me I just don't understand why ever 6 months sportsmen groups keep telling the DEC "NO" to antler restrictions. Anyone with half a brain who believes the AR hype that creating an artificial food base or food plot in the woods makes for bigger bucks is as loony as a shithouse rat. Here , Look at these big Texas bucks...never mind everyone of the deer pictured in the AR rags are of special breeding and are bred stock..like a prize bull.

These people, the AR group who lobby the government to restrict state lands, the people's land, need to go through 6 grade American history again. Keep it up fellas, regulate us out of business.

Interestingly enough is a youth deer season, WTH, I thought changing the opening day of the southern zone big game was suppose to get "Kids" I.E. the family out together, so NY's youth would not have to skip school to hunt with PaPa & Dad.

Here is another letter of NO support to the DEC:

ALBANY COUNTY CONSERVATION ALLIANCE

14 Leonard Drive. Schenectady, NY 12309

President-Bob Mudge Vice President-Frank Carey
Secretary-Kevin Busch Treasurer-Bill Ackner

NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation
C/o Deer Management Plan
625 Broadway
Albany, N.Y. 12233-4754

Dear DEC.

The ACCA supports Antler Restrictions only through voluntary participation. Over 3,100 Sportspeople residing in Albany County in two separate votes in 2009 and 2011 voted 90% against Mandatory Antler Restrictions, 10% for.

I would also add that at the March 2011 Reg.4 New York State Conservation Council meeting that the vote was 7 to 2 against Antler restriction.

Also included with Albany County vote was Crossbow use and by a 70% for Crossbow use in all legal deer seasons vrs 30% opposed to crossbow use in the Archery Season

We support the creation of a Youth Deer Season for Columbus Day weekend. This is a great way along with Legislation to lower the minimum age to 12 to hunt Big Game to encourage the Youth of our State to participate.

We also support that DEC will set the quotas for the Wildlife Management Units for the taking of Antlerless Deer in the state and by what implement. DEC should be the controlling interest of Management of the NYS Deer Herd through sound Science.
Thank you for your time.

Sincerely
Kevin Busch

Secretary Albany County Conservation Alliance

The decline of agriculture? - Features - Al Jazeera English

2011-07-05T04:52:00.000-04:00

The decline of agriculture? - Features - Al Jazeera English

Budd Schroeder SCOPE Board Chair on Micro-Stamping

2011-06-24T15:39:00.000-04:00

Another View

Buffalo News
PO Box 100
Buffalo , NY 14240

Editor:
The Another View article on microstamping by Derek P. Champagne stated that a law requiring the process in all semi-automatic pistols sold in New York would be a valuable tool in solving violent gun crimes. This is not true. If it was true there would be some data proving its effectiveness. There are no credible studies to back up this opinion.

As far as New York is concerned, his statement that 60 percent of guns used in crimes upstate were sold in New York must include rifles and shotguns. Only government and individuals with pistol permits are allowed to purchase handguns in New York . The violent crime rate of people who have pistol permits is so low that there is no category for it,

Mayor Bloomberg has stated that most of the criminal's handguns used in New York are illegally imported from other states. Therefore a microstamping bill would not affect those weapons and would be totally useless.

If all the states passed the bill and microstamping worked, the big problem is that it is easily defeated. Most semi-automatic pistols have easily replaced barrels and firing pins and can be changed in a few minutes.

If the gun has a fixed barrel, the microstamping can easily be removed with the use of a file, power drill, valve grinding compound and about a half hour or less of time. The process is so simple it does not need the skill of a gunsmith or even a good mechanic.

The third weakness is that a person who intended to commit a violent gun crime could go to a range (even a police range) and pick up a handful of cases. He can then use a brass catcher on the gun used in the crime and scatter the picked up cases at the scene. This could really confuse the investigation of the crime.

We were told a decade ago that the Combined Ballistic Information System (CoBIS) would aid police agencies when a gun was involved in a crime. The taxpayers have wasted about $40 million for this system and so far, it has not resulted in aiding any shooting investigation and the conviction of a criminal.

The downstate legislators are always looking for new “gun control” bills. New York is in the top percentage of states having strict and draconian gun laws, but they have little effect on violent gun crime. The reason is because criminals don’t obey gun laws any more than they obey other laws.

Forty million dollars wasted on CoBIS could have been better used by spending it on technology that actually worked. The funding for it should be ended now and the money directed to better law enforcement that takes criminals off the streets.

Those who write about gun laws and suggest passage should learn about technology, examine credible data and not confuse opinion with facts.

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13th Lake Region NY DEC bias proposal

2011-06-22T11:49:00.001-04:00

N.Y.S. Conservation Council
Action Alert

D.E.C. Proposes Precedent Setting Outboard Motor Ban

Good afternoon:

The D.E.C. is proposing a precedent setting regulation to ban outboard motors from Thirteenth Lake. The lake is a popular trout fishing and hunting area that currently is only accessible with car top boats, as the boats must be carried about 200 yards to the lake. Reasons given for the action are "the need to create an environment consistent with the surrounding wilderness area, gas powered boats can create noise that can be heard in areas within the Siamese Ponds Wilderness Area which can negatively affect the wilderness experience of users. Water and air pollution from gas powered boats can also negatively impact the lake. In addition, the wake created from these boats can harm nesting loons and can create difficulties for those canoeing". The proposed regulation sets some dangerous precedents that could be expanded to any other lake in the Adirondack Park that borders a wilderness area.

To access the proposed regulations go to: http://www.dec.ny.gov/regulations/2359.html Scroll down to Thirteenth Lake . Deadline for comments is July 2, 2011. Please weigh in and forward to others who utilize boats and outboard motors for fishing and to access hunting and trapping areas or to enjoy the out of doors! To send a letter to the DEC and elected officials:

1. Highlight the letter below starting with the date and ending before the solid black line across the page. Then click edit then copy.

June 20, 2011

Peter Frank, Bureau of Forest Preserve
NYS DEC, Division of Lands & Forests
625 Broadway, Albany , NY 12233-4254
lfadk@gw.dec.state.ny.us
518-473-9518

RE: Opposition to proposed regulation to ban outboard motors on Thirteenth Lake

Dear Mr. Frank:

As a sportsman and taxpayer I oppose the proposed regulation to ban the use of outboard motors on Thirteenth Lake for the following reasons:

1. There is no documented scientific evidence that the lake requires this additional protection or that water or air quality is being negatively impacted;

2. The regulation does not provide equitable consideration for all user groups and instead favors the paddlers and hikers; needs of fisherman and hunters are an afterthought.

3. The statement that outboard motors wakes are negatively impacting on nesting loons is hollow rhetoric and without merit;

4. The actions to protect the wilderness boundary are simply action on the Departments part to further a protectionist agenda and appease the green groups;

5. The regulation, which promotes the use of electric motors, will place the sport fishing public and hunters at risk as electric motors do not have the thrust or sustainability to get the sporting community safely to shore in high winds or when traveling long distances;

6. Citing the Forest Preserve Advisory Board as a group who has endorsed this regulation raises some very serious questions about the legitimacy and legality of this group. The Board is stacked with Green Groups, keeps no minutes that are available to the public and does not allow or invite the press or the general public to its meetings. Yet is a board involved in recommending regulations and policy!

7. The current lake access requires boats to be carried approximately 200 yards and as such limits lake access to car top boats and small motors; which are appropriate for a lake of this size.

8. Restricting motors will limit fisherman and prohibit hunters from accessing the remote sections of the lake.

9. The regulation will negatively impact on small businesses in an area that depend on sport fishing and hunting for business traffic.

Please stop this deceitful attempt at establishing precedent to further the D.E.C.’s “quiet waters” initiative and please consider the needs of all user groups in an equitable manner. Withdraw this proposal!

Name:

Address:

cc: Senator Mark Grisanti, Chair Encon. Committee
Senator Betty Little
Senator David Carlucci, Chair Admin. Reg. Review Com.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________________

2. Click the link below on the far left to open an email message. When the email opens be sure all recipients are listed. Add others as you see fit, such as your state eleccted officials.

lfadk@gw.dec.state.ny.us;carlucci@nysenate.gov;grisanti@nysenate.gov;little@nysenate.gov;

3. In the subject box type: Opposition to Outboard Motor Ban on Thirteenth Lake

4. Move your cursor to the text box and go to edit then paste to place the comment in the email. Feel free to modify comments as you see fit and add your own lead in and closing statements.

5. Fill in your name and address, title, etc. at the bottom of the e-mail.

6. Hit send and your comment will be sent to the D.E.C. and Elected Officials.

7. It is important that the D.E.C. receive some hard copies; they must respond to comments received by mail. To send a hard copy open the attachment and print.

8. If you would like to send an additional comment to Commissioner Martens click the link below.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/about/407.html

If you need assistance or have questions, please let me know.

Thank-you for weighing in on this very important issue. Deadline for comments is July 2, 2011
Walt Paul
N.Y.S. Conservation Council
Access and Land Use Specialist

For more information and updates visit us at www.nyscc.com. The New York State Conservation Council is the oldest conservation organization in N.Y.S. The mission of the Council is to conserve, protect, restore and perpetuate forests, wildlife and scenic and recreational areas.

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2011-06-18T16:20:00.000-04:00

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2011-06-11T12:15:00.000-04:00

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HSUS CEO his plan from the beginning!

2011-06-06T23:42:00.000-04:00

The antis plan is the total illimination of sportsmen,animal owners based on Zero population. No consumers = no consumption.
bpb

Excerpt: “Bloodties: Nature, Culture, and the Hunt,” Ted Kerasote, 1994

This file contains two brief excerpts (pp.250-257; 266-267) from Ted Kerasote's book Bloodties: Nature, Culture, and the Hunt (Kodansha Globe, 1994, out of print).

Bloodties is the source of several controversial quotes attributed to Wayne Pacelle, CEO of HSUS. They resulted from in-person interviews the Kerasote conducted with Pacelle in January 1992.

Among the most interesting bits of Bloodties:

1.[Pacelle:] "I've always had an affinity for wildlife, and the direct assault made on that wildlife by hunters and trappers has always infuriated me ... At the same time, I don't have a hands-on fondness for animals. I did not grow up bonded to any particular nonhuman animal. I like them and I pet them and I'm kind to them, but there's no special bond between me and other animals..." (pp. 250-251)

2.—"Do you think that people were once a natural, interactive part of their ecosystems?" I ask.

—"Maybe before the invention of agriculture," he says. (p. 253)

3.—"[W]ould you let people hunt for food if they did it respectfully?"

—"Well, it's a good question," he says, pondering what he's about the say. "I think that I would campaign against it. Yes, I think that I would." (p.254)

4.—"[A]re you a proponent of endless agriculture for endless people?"

—"Oh, no, no. I don't believe in the green revolution as a means of feeding the world, and I certainly don't plan to have children. I take it as a very serious personal responsibility not to put another consumer on this planet." (p. 255)

5.After stopping for potato chips, pretzels, and beer, and making only two more wrong turns, we find Heidi Prescott's town house. She's the national outreach director for the Fund [for Animals] and is famous—the first person to go to jail for animal rights. Rustling leaves with her feet, during a public hunt at a Maryland wildlife management area, she was fined five hundred dollars under a state law that forbids the harassment of hunters. Refusing to pay the fine, she spent fifteen days in jail, which opened her eyes to the plight of inmates.

Heavy set, jovial, and blonde, she has told me, "If I gave up animal rights and zero population work, I'd go into prison reform." At twenty-nine, she's already had her tubes tied for four years and declares that she's "never regretted the decision." After all, "population is the bottom line." (pp. 255-256)

6.—"About fishing ... do you avoid campaigning against it because there isn't a ground-swell movement in our culture to eliminate it?"

—"That is correct. We're out to minimize suffering wherever it can be done, and wherever our limited resources can be utilized most effectively—abusive forms of hunting for now, all hunting eventually."

—"And fish aren't furry and cute."

—"That's right."

—"How about pets, Wayne? Would you envision a future with no pets in the world?"

—"I wouldn't say that I envision that, no. If I had my personal view perhaps that might take hold. In fact, I don't want to see another cat or dog born. It's not something I strive for, though. If people were very responsible, and didn't do manipulative breeding, and cared for animals in all senses, and accounted for their nutritional needs as well as their social and psychological needs, then I think it could be an appropriate thing. I'm not sure. I think it's one of those things that we'll decide later in society. I think we're still far from it." (p. 266)

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T/C Renegade QAL muzzle 50 cal 1 in 48" twist : Black Powder / Muzzle loading at GunBroker.com

2011-05-27T19:52:00.000-04:00

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Knight KP1 Camo 3006 Stainless :

2011-05-25T17:05:00.002-04:00

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The rifle I'm offering does not have sights.

It is drilled for a scope and is new in the box.

The Chicken Conspiracy by Luke Rudkowski

2011-05-21T08:52:00.000-04:00

Washington Times editorial /Second Amendment Foundation

2011-05-17T21:37:00.000-04:00

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The link to the editorial is here:
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As you can see the national media has recognized that the Second Amendment Foundation is the leading organization defending gun rights in the courts.

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It is very important that all these cases get filed and have decisions rendered before President Obama can stack the federal courts with his anti-gun rights judges. I can't name one judge that Obama has nominated that supports your right to keep and bear arms.

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Right intentions, wrong gun bill

2011-05-15T16:12:00.000-04:00

Right intentions, wrong gun bill
The Observation Deck
A blog of opinions on local, state and national issues
Right intentions, wrong gun billMay 15, 2011 at 6:01 am by Jay Jochnowitz, Editorial page editor

BPB Here are my comments.

5.Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Another gun bill, another waste of tax payers money. Threats to withhold states federal welfare handout or the peoples money.
Another lawsuit by the 2nd amendment gang will come and go, all because the Schumer’s of the world can’t grasp one word “infringe”.

Comment by BlackPowderBill — May 15th, 2011 @ 3:50 pm

6.Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Quote: It also requires that nearly all private gun sales involve either firearms dealers or police agencies, which would run the required background check for a fee up to $15.
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That’s not going to happen, not at $15.00. As a FFL dealer I charge $30.00. Which includes sales tax, a trigger lock which is required by NYS law. A note from the State police telling the consumer how locks make everything safe and my paperwork time.

The thing police “aren’t” is licensed Firearms dealers. Yet law enforcement agencies all across the United States continue to make purchases from private money & the people’s tax in gun buy back scams.
These people could have as easly gone to a license dealer and sold their firearms.
You’re correct it is a boondoggle of “derams” from the Obama/Brady crowd but without the hype they can’t collect a pay check.

Comment by BlackPowderBill — May 15th, 2011 @ 4:03 pm

Battle of Oriskany, and spawn the New York State Muzzleloaders Association

2011-05-11T00:14:00.000-04:00

Battle of Oriskany, and spawn the New York State Muzzleloaders Association

/RevSeigeStanwixBattleOriska
My third visit was on November 30, 2004. This time I walked and talked with William Lloyd. Bill conceived, organized and publicized the Bicentennial Re-creation of the March of the Tryon County Militia and the Battle of Oriskany on August 4, 5 & 6, 1977. His initial motivation was to illustrate the significance of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America that guaranteed citizens “the right to keep and bear arms.” He didn’t realize at the time that he would create a once-in-a-lifetime experience for participants and observers, provide national recognition of the significance of the Battle of Oriskany, and spawn the New York State Muzzleloaders Association. He also inspired me to explain it all in my first book, ONE QUARTER MILE TO GO.

NYSMuzzle-Loaders Association President

WCSC Director & Past President

SCOPE Director @ Large

FFL long arms , muzzle-loaders only & reloading supplies.

I also purchase old lots of equipment/estate sale purchase's wanted.

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Micro-stamping,NY ballistics expert says bad idea

2011-05-10T23:39:00.000-04:00

From the LiberalPinhead blog:
Senator Schneiderman should listen to firearms experts in his own state. Firearms expert George Krivosta, of the Suffolk County New York crime lab, found that the “vast majority” of micro-stamped characters in the alphanumeric serial number couldn’t be read on “any of the expended cartridge cases generated and examined.”http://www.liberalpinheads.com/2009/06/06/liberal-pinhead-micro-brains-and-firearm-micro-stamping/

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bpb

CoBI$ 10m and no hits

2011-05-07T20:57:00.000-04:00

WRGB news video featuring Senator Nozzilio

The news has it correct....NO HITS! But the antis said it would stop crime.
Actually I say its closer to 20 million dollars wasted. Blowing more smoke up our rear ends this time with micro-stamping. The antis are using the same story , different ballistic idea.

DEC head in media blackout?

2011-05-02T15:00:00.000-04:00

DEC head in media blackout?

WOW transparency at its best.

Green movement a rip off ,wood burning & charcoal

2011-05-01T04:14:00.000-04:00

I work in the HVAC field and I'm a licensed Stationary Engr., I.E. Power plant operator. I see so much waste in the ECO green movement. All most of it is, is our tax dollars funding another study or equipment re-commissioning that should have been installed correctly in the first place.

If you're making lump charcoal from logs, branches and the like I feel it is a waste of heat, especially for cooking. You can make charcoal out of corn cobs which is still a waste of heat but at least you're not using a tree. I'd rather turn a tree into a board, then use the left over’s for heating,cooking or compost.

IMO the best thing to come along are the wood pellets and bricks. They take sawdust or another bio-mass waste, for lack of a better word and use it for fuel. (Industry also use's sawdust for charcoal)
You don't use charcoal in a foundry or forge it doesn't maintain the heat you need. You use Coal and then different types of coal are used for different applications.
I see guys cutting down trees all summer long from hunting property to use as heat in their homes. I tell them, why don't you buy a ton of coal? Save your trees for lumber. They reply the trees are free. Oh really, your time & the saw alone are worth more than the price of a ton of coal, year after year.
I suppose if you ran a meat smoking process you could use the excess heat from the charcoal to heat water for some sort of hydronics heat letting the smoke cure your product.
Then you'd have an excuse for the charcoal as it would be a by-product of 2 or 3 processes.

You have to get as much work as possible out of a product/process as possible to make it cost effective. Lump charcoal doesn’t do that.

Yes I know my wife told me duck is $2.99 a per pound at Aldi’s. I could have purchased 50 for what I have in the 10 ah 7 left that the fox hasn’t killed off yet.
Well that is unless that is you’re doing it for fun then it a hobby. $$$

Leaders in firearms & Powder sales

2011-04-28T05:52:00.001-04:00

Comments in RED are mine.

The Uninvited Ombudsman notes however that:
Alan Korwin
While "news" reports are often filled with studies of top brands for consumer items from soft drinks to cars to computer gear, firearms are virtually never covered as a financial matter. This despite the fact that the shooting sports, a term you just don't see in the "news" is the #2 participant sport in the nation (behind exercise equipment and ahead of golf -- a sport you see covered to excess).
Southwick Associates has completed an extensive survey of the top brands in the shooting sports. It is part of a 238-page report that received so much coverage you have never even heard of it. Are you using the top brands? Here they are:

Top rifle brand: Remington (17.5% of all purchases)

Top shotgun brand: Remington & Mossberg (virtual tie with 21.5% of all purchases)

Top muzzleloader brand: Thompson Center (31.9% of all purchases) (The most expensive are the break open styles ) I can't sell one to save my life, most guys are either purchasing used Omegas or new CVA's

Top handgun brand: Sturm Ruger (16.7% of all purchases)

Top scope for firearms: Bushnell (17.1% of all purchases)

Top rifle ammunition brand: Remington (25.3% of all purchases) (WHY? that is never my favorite ammo)

Top shotgun ammunition brand: Winchester (31.9% of all purchases) ( AA's for clay target shooters??

Top handgun ammunition brand: Winchester (22.0% of all purchases)

Top blackpowder brand: Pyrodex (38.7% of all purchases)(? I'd say Triple 7)

Top balls, bullets, or shot brand: Hornady (28.4% of all purchases) (Wonder how many bullets are cast?)

Top reloading bullet brand: Hornady (31.7% of all purchases)

Top reloading primer brand: CCI (38.2% of all purchases) (Usually the easiest to find)

Top reloading powder brand: Hodgdon (37.8% of all purchases) (Well I hope so, they own IMR,GOEX,Hogdon & I think Winchester)

Top binocular brand: Bushnell (33.6% of all purchases)

Top holster brand: Uncle Mikes (19.0% of all purchases)

Top knife brand: Gerber (15.0% of all purchases)

The shooting sports are a significant contributor to the U.S. economy, but you wouldn't know it if you follow lamestream reports. Archery and hunting gear are also covered, see for yourself:

http://southwickassociates.com/node/10972

I have to ask why are the numbers for that imported Mongolian ammo everyone is fighting to get a hold of?
Ah, looks like I'll have to read the report.
BPB

9mm or 38 Super .356 dia bullets 2,500 all or partial's

2011-04-24T09:38:00.000-04:00

9mm or 38 Super .356 dia bullets 2,500 all or partial's

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Rose Fire District No. 1 4 years of failure

2011-04-23T10:53:00.002-04:00

NEW YORK – The following municipal audits were released by State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli:

Rose Fire District No. 1, Board Oversight (Wayne County)

The board allowed the district's annual financial report to go unfiled for four consecutive years and didn’t audit the treasurer's year-end financial records for the previous two years. While it is the treasurer's responsibility to file the annual financial report with OSC, it is the board's responsibility to ensure the duties of the treasurer are properly performed. The board also failed to adopt an investment or procurement policy as required by law.

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NYSCC position's

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March 31, 2011

Bills listed here have seen action other than introduction since January 1, 2011. The last action is shown for each bill. A glossary of the terms used in this report is included on the last page.

A 153 Sayward 03/21/11 opinion referred to judiciary. Same as S 506 LITTLE 01/05/11 REFERRED TO JUDICIARY; 01/14/11 TO ATTORNEY-GENERAL FOR OPINION. Amd Art 14 S1, Constn Authorizes state residents to gather dead timber from the floor of the state forest preserve when such timber is on the side of a public highway. NYSCC Position: S

A 277 Dinowitz 01/05/11 referred to aging. Same as S 297 DIAZ 02/22/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – REQUESTED. Add S13.20, Pks & Rec L Provides that the office of parks, recreation & historic preservation or any other agency setting fees for the use of overnight camping facilities shall set such rate at five dollars for residents of the state 65 years of age or over for the use of such facilities. NYSCC Position: O

A 295A Hevesi 03/15/11 reported referred to codes. Amd S11-0511, En Con L Makes technical corrections to provisions on possession and transportation of wildlife. NYSCC Position: S

A 334 Paulin 01/18/11 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Same as S 1678 KLEIN
01/11/11 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Amd S8-0113, En Con L Directs the department of environmental conservation to update any forms or documentation prepared by such department which are designed to assist applicants and lead agencies in determining whether certain projects or actions have a significant effect on the environment; and provides such updates shall ensure the consideration of changes in science and emerging issues in environmental protection. NYSCC Position: O

A 378A Magee 01/26/11 amend and recommit to codes. Amd SS11-0701, 11-0901 & 11-1103, En Con L Relates to trapping license to trap snapping turtles. NYSCC Position: S

A 408 Hoyt 01/18/11 REFERRED TO JUDICIARY. Same as S 2779 YOUNG 02/01/11 REFERRED TO JUDICIARY. Add S329-a, RP L Provides for the lapse of oil and gas interests located within Allegany state park if unused for 20 years prior to effective date of act unless a statement of claim is filed by the owner prior to the end of the 20 year period or within 2 years of the effective date of the act, whichever is later; provides upon such lapse ownership shall revert to New York state; procedures and definitions. NYSCC Position: O

A 444 Magee 01/05/11 referred to agriculture. Same as S 2485 LITTLE 03/09/11 referred to agriculture. Amd S225, Ag & Mkts L; amd S9-0505, En Con L Directs the wood products development council to work to improve public understanding of the timber industry and authorizes the department of environmental conservation to execute contracts for timber or other forest products valued at under $50,000 without approval from the state comptroller. NYSCC Position: S

A 512 Sayward 01/05/11 referred to codes. Same as S 823 LITTLE 03/08/11 COMMITTEE DISCHARGED AND COMMITTED TO JUDICIARY. Amd S212, CPLR; amd S813, Exec L Establishes a ten year statute of limitations to enforce violations of rules and regulations of Adirondack park agency committed within the Adirondack park. NYSCC Position: S

A 611 Peoples-Stokes 03/17/11 advanced to third reading. Same as S 2703 SERRANO 01/28/11 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Add S3-0308, En Con L Identifies the criteria the commissioner of environmental conservation should consider in publishing a list of high local environmental impact zones; these are areas most adversely affected by existing environmental hazards. NYSCC Position: O

A 693 Englebright 02/07/11 REFERRED TO CULTURAL AFFAIRS, TOURISM, PARKS AND RECREATION. Same as S 1918 SERRANO 01/14/11 REFERRED TO CULTURAL AFFAIRS, TOURISM, PARKS AND RECREATION. Add S13.14, Pks & Rec L Requires the conducting of public hearings and reports thereon prior to the closure to public access of any real property by the office of parks, recreation and historic preservation. NYSCC Position: S

A 1103 Kolb 01/24/11 enacting clause stricken. Same as S 2975 NOZZOLIO 03/10/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows for rifle hunting in that portion of Ontario County south of NYS route 20. NYSCC Position: S

A 1157 Schimel 01/05/11 referred to codes. Same as S 675 PERALTA 03/09/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – WITHDRAWN. Amd SS265.00, 265.10 & 265.15, add SS265.38 & 265.39, Pen L Requires semiautomatic pistols manufactured or delivered to any licensed dealer in this state to be capable of microstamping ammunition; establishes fines for violations of this requirement and provides for an affirmative defense if the dealer had a certification from the manufacturer. NYSCC Position: O

A 1409A Thiele 03/09/11 amend and recommit to environmental conservation. Same as S 1456-A LAVALLE
03/22/11 referred to environmental conservation. Add S13-0373, En Con L Authorizes the catching and possession of up to 5 times the daily limit of fish during any 7 day period of time; authorizes the catching and possession on a single vessel of the maximum daily limit for each species of fish a person aboard the vessel is authorized to take. NYSCC Position: O

A 1442 Destito 03/09/11 enacting clause stricken. Same as A 6311 Brennan 03/14/11 referred to corporations, authorities and commissions. Amd S10, Can L Adds powers and duties to the canal corporation; directs the canal corporation to cause the design, preparation of plans, estimates and specifications and the supervision of the erection, construction, repair and removal of all structures referred to be performed by a licensed profes-sional engineer; directs preparation of a flood response plan; makes related provisions. NYSCC Position: O

A 1475 Rosenthal 01/10/11 referred to codes. Same as S 674 PERALTA 03/08/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – REQUESTED. Amd S530.14, CP L; amd SS842-a & 846-a, Fam Ct Act Relates to the suspension and revocation of firearms licenses upon the issuance of orders of protection. NYSCC Position: O

A 1644 Kavanagh 01/11/11 referred to codes. Same as S 558 DIAZ 02/22/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – REQUESTED. Add SS265.45 & 265.50, Pen L Creates the offenses of aggravated sale of a firearm and aggravated sale of a firearm to a minor. NYSCC Position: O

A 1843 Rosenthal 03/22/11 reported referred to codes. Same as S 3153 KRUGER 02/10/11 REFERRED TO AGRICULTURE. Amd S353-a, Ag & Mkts L Includes wildlife animals as those subject to the animal cruelty provisions of the agriculture and markets law. NYSCC Position: O

A 1896 Schroeder 01/12/11 referred to codes. Same as S 2488 GRIFFO 03/30/11 2ND REPORT. Amd S400.00, Pen L Relates to pistol permit privacy and makes all personal information regarding pistol or revolver licensees confidential except to law enforcement agencies and to individuals requesting information about a named individual. NYSCC Position: S

A 2021A Gunther 02/15/11 reported referred to codes. Same as S 177-A MAZIARZ 02/28/11 referred to codes. Amd SS11-0701, 11-0713, 11-0719 & 11-0929, En Con L Reduces the required minimum age for obtaining a junior archery license from fourteen years to twelve years of age. NYSCC Position: S

A 2122 Millman 02/15/11 reported referred to codes. Amd S353-b, Ag & Mkts L Specifies what constitutes appropriate shelter for dogs restrained outdoors and provides a dog shall not be left outdoors in weather that places the dog in imminent danger due to exposure to heat and cold. NYSCC Position: O

A 2229 Kavanagh 03/15/11 reported referred to codes. Amd S3-0311, En Con L Imposes penalties upon a state agency, public authority or public benefit corporation, which fails to complete a remediation plan within the projected time schedule for such plan; provides that upon such failure such agency shall be subject to a public hearing and required to explain the failure to complete the plan; provides that an amended plan shall be imposed which provides for involvement by community groups; provides that subsequent failure to remediate shall result in a fine. NYSCC Position: S

A 2305 Destito 03/14/11 REFERRED TO INVESTIGATIONS AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. Amd S2, Pub Lds L Requires the commissioner of general services to maintain an inventory and audit of every state-owned real property or unappropriated state land that has been sold, transferred, conveyed or exchanged and contain a reverter clause pursuant to the public lands law or the unconsolidated laws.

A 2414 Gabryszak 01/18/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 193 MAZIARZ 01/25/11 REPORTED AND COMMITTED TO FINANCE. Amd S11-0702, En Con L Amends the environmental conservation law, in relation to providing for lifetime sportsman licenses for honorably discharged, disabled veterans. NYSCC Position: O

A 2439 Englebright 03/15/11 reported referred to codes. Same as S 2324 LAVALLE 01/18/11 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Add S13-0310, En Con L Prohibits the commercial taking of northern or lined seahorses. NYSCC Position: S

A 2494B O'Donnell 03/29/11 REFERRED TO CODES. Same as S 1003-A PERALTA 03/15/11 AMEND AND RECOMMIT TO CODES. Amd S530.14, CP L Requires the judge in a criminal proceeding or in a family court proceeding, upon issuance of an order of protection, to inquire as to the ownership of a firearm by the defendant or respondent. NYSCC Position: O

A 2882 Millman 01/20/11 referred to agriculture. Same as S 62 DIAZ 03/30/11 DEFEATED IN AGRICULTURE. Amd SS109 & 118, add SS112-a & 112-b, Ag & Mkts L Requires the micro-chipping of all dogs; creates a state registry to maintain the identification and contact information on all micro-chipped dogs; provides that such registry shall be available twenty-four hours a day. NYSCC Position: O

A 2922 Sweeney 01/21/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 425 KRUEGER 03/18/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – REQUESTED. Amd S23-0305, En Con L Relates to the regulation of the use of hydraulic fracturing fluids. NYSCC Position: S

A 2986 Burling 01/21/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 2385 GALLIVAN 03/09/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows for rifle hunting in Wyoming County. NYSCC Position: S

A 3081 Lupardo 03/17/11 advanced to third reading. Same as S 670 PERALTA 03/08/11 NOTICE OF COMMITTEE CONSIDERATION – REQUESTED. Amd SS265.20 & 400.05, Pen L; amd S330.20, add S730.55, CP L; amd SS9.60 & 29.03, add SS9.36 & 15.36, Ment Hyg L Authorizes courts to revoke firearms license and seize the weapons of certain individuals. NYSCC Position: O

A 3292A Weisenberg 02/28/11 amend and recommit to codes. Amd S265.00, add SS265.45, 265.50, 265.55, 265.60, 265.65 & 265.70, Pen L; amd S396-ee, Gen Bus L; amd S305, Ed L Enacts the "children's weapon accident prevention act"; creates crimes of failure to store a weapon safely in the first and second degrees, aggravated failure to store a weapon, and criminally negligent storage of a weapon in the first and second degrees; provides affirmative defenses; directs the commissioner of education to develop a weapons safety program. NYSCC Position: O

A 3296 Lupardo 01/24/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 783 YOUNG 02/01/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S11-0923, En Con L Provides that any dog that has been released from their confinement for hunting purposes shall be deemed to be under the reasonable control of its owner while engaged in hunting or returning from hunting. NYSCC Position: S

A 3338 Gottfried 03/16/11 REFERRED TO HEALTH. Amd S2140, Pub Health L Relates to authorizing the seizure and confinement of animals in connection with the prevention of rabies. NYSCC Position: O

A 3374 Sweeney 03/17/11 advanced to third reading. Amd SS24-0105, 24-0107, 24-0301, 24-0701, 24-0703, 24-0901 & 24-0903, rpld S24-1305, En Con L Relates to the definition of freshwater wetlands; repeals section relating to the applicability of the freshwater wetlands article; provides authority of DEC over wetlands which are one acre or more; amends permitting requirements for subdivision of land. NYSCC Position: O

A 3409 Schimminger 02/17/11 reference changed to tourism, parks, arts and sports development. Same as

S 2686 GRISANTI 03/03/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S3.09, Pks & Rec L; amd S277, Gen Muni L Directs the commissioner of parks, recreation and historic preservation to cooperate with municipalities in establishing adopt-a-park programs; municipalities may enter into agreements with volunteer groups for provision of services. NYSCC Position: S

A 3480 Russell 01/25/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 2462 LIBOUS 03/10/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0103, En Con L Authorizes an individual to angle for fish with up to three lines. NYSCC Position: O

A 3597 Kavanagh 03/31/11 advanced to third reading. Same as S 676 PERALTA 01/05/11 REFERRED TO CONSUMER PROTECTION. Amd S400.00, Pen L Requires employees of dealers in firearms to submit to state and national criminal background checks. NYSCC Position: O

A 3598 Kavanagh 03/24/11 advanced to third reading. Add S837-s, Exec L Requires the division of criminal justice services to report on handgun licenses. NYSCC Position: S

A 3900A Lavine 02/08/11 amend and recommit to codes. Amd SS265.04 & 265.20, Pen L Prohibits the possession of a loaded firearm at certain events involving public officials or in a government building; makes such crime a class B felony. NYSCC Position: O

A 4263 Magee 02/02/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 656 VALESKY 03/14/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0305, En Con L Authorizes DEC to designate additional fishing events as rehabilitation for armed forces veterans or active members. NYSCC Position: S

A 4357 Lifton 02/03/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 1683 SEWARD 02/28/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows hunters to use a rifle during open season for deer in the county of Cortland. NYSCC Position: S

A 4729A Reilly 03/17/11 advanced to third reading. Same as S 2363-A SEWARD 03/14/11 AMEND AND RECOMMIT TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Amd S11-0501, En Con L Eliminates term limits for members on regional fish and wildlife management boards. NYSCC Position: S

A 4786 Sweeney 02/15/11 reported referred to codes. Same as S 3421 LAVALLE 02/22/11 REFERRED TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION. Amd S11-0903, En Con L Provides for the establishment of youth-only pheasant hunting days on Long Island. NYSCC Position: S

A 5142 Gabryszak 02/17/11 enacting clause stricken. Amd S11-0901, rpld sub 16, En Con L Allows persons 65 years and older and persons with disabilities to hunt with a long bow and to take wildlife with a cross bow; authorizes department to adopt regulations. NYSCC Position: S

A 5318A Sweeney 03/30/11 reported referred to ways and means. Same as S 3798 GRISANTI 03/10/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd SS15-1501 - 15-1503, 15-1505, 15-1521, 15-1529 & 71-1127, add S15-1504, rpld Art 15 Titles 16 & 33, En Con L Relates to the regulation of the use of the state's water resources; requires permits for interbasin diversions of water and approval of modification to existing systems.
NYSCC Position: O

A 5346 Sweeney 03/15/11 reported referred to ways and means. Add Art 19 Title 13 SS19-1301 - 19-1307, En Con L Relates to global warming pollution control; establishes greenhouse gas limits and a greenhouse gas reporting system. NYSCC Position: O

A 5487 Magee 02/22/11 referred to tourism, parks, arts and sports development. Same as S 554 LITTLE 02/28/11 referred to tourism, parks, arts and sports development. Amd S25.19, Pks & Rec L Authorizes persons under the age of fourteen to participate in special events involving snowmobiles. NYSCC Position: S

A 5530 Englebright 02/23/11 referred to tourism, parks, arts and sports development. Same as S 2747 SERRANO 03/15/11 REPORTED AND COMMITTED TO FINANCE. Add SS13.18 & 13.20, Pks & Rec L Directs the office of parks, recreation and historic preservation or other state agency having jurisdiction of a state park or recreational facility to establish a 3 year and a 5 year access fee that is valid in all state parks and recreational facilities. NYSCC Position: S

A 5638 Sweeney 03/31/11 advanced to third reading. Amd S71-2303, En Con L Requires restoration of areas adjacent to wetlands by those persons who, following procedures set forth in law, have been directed to cease violation and to restore the affected wetlands. NYSCC Position: S

A 5973 Burling 03/03/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 794 YOUNG 02/28/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0707, En Con L Provides that persons participating in a fishing class or clinic sponsored by a school or university are exempt from fishing license requirements. NYSCC Position: S

A 6055 Goodell 03/04/11 referred to environmental conservation. Same as S 801 YOUNG 02/28/11 referred to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows hunters to use a rifle during open season for deer and bear in the county of Chautauqua south of route 20. NYSCC Position: S

A 6169 Thiele 03/08/11 referred to environmental conservation. S 3638 ZELDIN 03/21/11 COMMITTED TO FINANCE. Same as Rpld Part LL, Chap 59 of 2009; add S13-0533, En Con L Establishes a registration system for saltwater recreational fishing. NYSCC Position: O

A 6250 Blankenbush 03/10/11 referred to transportation. S 3318 RITCHIE 03/03/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Same as Amd S2281, V & T L Relates to the definition of all terrain vehicle or "ATV"; increases the dry weight of such vehicle from 1000 pounds to 1500 pounds. NYSCC Position: S

A 6281 Magee 03/11/11 referred to agriculture. Same as S 771 YOUNG 03/28/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S95-a, Ag & Mkts L Provides that the information collected and maintained by the department of agriculture and markets relating to the registration and identification of premises and animals shall be confidential. NYSCC Position: S

A 6342A Englebright 03/17/11 amend (t) and recommit to governmental operations. Same as S 4204 GRISANTI 03/23/11 REFERRED TO INVESTIGATIONS AND GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. Add S8-a, Pub Bldg L; add S77-f, Gen Muni L; amd S378, Exec L; add S3-0121, amd SS3-0301 & 11-0307, En Con L; add S93-a, St Fin L Enacts the "bird-friendly buildings act" to require use of bird-friendly building materials and design features in buildings. NYSCC Position: AR

A 6591A Rabbitt 03/30/11 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows for rifle hunting in Rockland county. NYSCC Position: AR

S 61 DIAZ 03/30/11 amend (t) and recommit to environmental conservation. Amd SS107, 109 & 118, add S113-a, Ag & Mkts L Requires all dogs and their owners to successfully complete obedience training.
NYSCC Position: O

S 353 ROBACH 01/24/11 REPORTED AND COMMITTED TO FINANCE. Add SS209-h & 630-c, Tax L Allows taxpayers to contribute to the support of the animal population control fund by marking a space on a corporate or personal income tax return. NYSCC Position: S

S 653 VALESKY 01/25/11 REPORTED AND COMMITTED TO FINANCE. Add S11-0310, En Con L Requires the department of environmental conservation to prepare a report on the economic impact of hunting, fishing, and wildlife-associated activities in New York. NYSCC Position: SA

S 770 YOUNG 02/28/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S301, Ag & Mkts L Includes game birds bred pursuant to a game bird license within the definition of "crops, livestock and livestock products" for purposes of agricultural districts. NYSCC Position: S

S 1205A GRIFFO 03/23/11 AMEND AND RECOMMIT TO TRANSPORTATION. Amd S2405, V & T L Authorizes a governmental agency, by rule or regulation, or municipality, by local law ordinance, to designate a highway or portion of highway as open for travel by an ATV in order to gain access to areas or trails adjacent to such highways. NYSCC Position: S

S 1427 SALAND 01/07/11 REFERRED TO JUDICIARY; 01/14/11 TO ATTORNEY-GENERAL FOR OPINION. Ren Art 20 to be Art 21, add Art 20, Constn Proposes a constitutional amendment protecting the right of the people to keep and bear arms for traditionally recognized purposes. NYSCC Position: S

S 1441 BRESLIN 03/03/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S265.06, Pen L Makes it unlawful for any person age 16 or older to knowingly possess a knife on grounds used for educational purposes. NYSCC Position: O

S 1499 LITTLE 01/07/11 REFERRED TO JUDICIARY; 01/14/11 TO ATTORNEY-GENERAL FOR OPINION. Amd Art 14 S1, Constn Directs the department of environmental conservation, and any successor agency thereto, to establish a reasonable number of forest preserve management areas upon state lands, acquired on or after the effective date of this amendment to the constitution, which are made a part of the state forest preserve; authorizes the cutting, sale and removal of timber on such lands, and the use of motorized equipment for such purposes. NYSCC Position: S

S 2367 SEWARD 03/08/11 RECOMMIT, ENACTING CLAUSE STRICKEN. Amd S11-0713, En Con L Directs department of environmental conservation to establish a program to permit purchase of fishing licenses through the internet. NYSCC Position: O

S 2382 SEWARD 03/30/11 2ND REPORT. Ren Art 20 to be Art 21, add Art 20, Constn Prohibits counties and other local municipalities from regulating hunting, fishing, and trapping. NYSCC Position: S

S 2648 GRISANTI 03/03/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd SS11-0305 & 11-0713, En Con L Protects certain information on hunting, fishing and trapping license and permit applications from disclosure or release outside of the department of environmental conservation. NYSCC Position: S

S 2975 NOZZOLIO 03/10/11 ADVANCED TO THIRD READING. Amd S11-0907, En Con L Allows for rifle hunting in that portion of Ontario County south of NYS route 20. NYSCC Position: S

S 3742A GRIFFO 03/18/11 AMEND AND RECOMMIT TO TRANSPORTATION. Amd SS2281 & 2405, V & T L Amends the definition of all terrain vehicles; defines and authorizes the designation of highways and public lands for travel by certain recreational off-highway vehicles ("ROV"). NYSCC Position: AR

Glossary of Legislative Terms

NYSCC Positions: S = support; O = oppose; SA = support with amendments; SC = support, but with concerns;

AR = awaits review by NYSCC; NA = no position at this time.

Held for Consideration: A bill fails to get sufficient votes to pass out of committee.

Rules Committee: A committee in each house, led by its majority leader, through which all bills must pass after a designated date.

Reported: The date on which a bill is placed on a floor calendar to be considered for a house vote, or the date on which a bill is sent to another committee for further consideration.

Referred: The date on which a bill is given to a particular committee for consideration.

Ordered to Third Reading: means that a bill reported out of its respective house committee and, by unanimous consent, the rules were suspended and said bill was ordered directly to the Third Reading Calendar. Each house has its own calendar.

NY Micro-Stamping bill ~ DOA

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Paralta got his motion for consideration which put the Bill up for an UP or Down Vote in the codes committee.

As soon as he saw he did not have the votes to pass it, he pulled his motion for consideration.

Mico-Stamping was also withdrawn from the Assembly Committee Agenda.

Shooters Committee on Political Education fights for New Yorker's

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Shooters Committee on Political Education

The Presidents Report

In addition to the work SCOPE does on legislative issues, we have been very active in litigation. That is; legal challenges in the court-room to address certain issues that we have not been able to address through the legislative process. There have been cases we have lost, cases we have won, and there are current and future cases yet to be decided. The resource for funding these cases has been SCOPE’s Legal Defense Fund. This fund is dependent on the donations of our members.

One of the major issues of concern to our members over the years has been the NYS Pistol Permit system. Although it is a state license and should be subject to uniform statewide standards, in practice it is implemented by local county governments. Standards and practices vary significantly from one county to the next. Some counties impose restrictions on pistol permits that are not provided for by the state licensing law; NYS penal code section 400. SCOPE filed a lawsuit some two dec-a des ago to put a stop to the practice. Unfortunately we lost on that suit and quite frankly we would have been better advised not to have gone for-ward with that case. Now we have legal precedent set against us.

SCOPE vs. Pataki was filed in 2001 to challenge the Pataki five point gun law that was passed in 2000. Although much of the law was upheld, there was one point on which SCOPE prevailed. There were very stringent requirements set for operating a ―Gun Show‖ in New York. The trouble with the law was that the defi-nition of a gun show was so overly broad and vague that almost any event where guns were present or even discussed could be legally ruled a gun show. This could lead to a situation where almost any gun club function would technically be in violation of the law. The courts agreed with SCOPE that the law was vague and overreaching. This ruling was very important because without it most of our member clubs could have been ruled in violation of the law whenever they hosted a trap meet or pancake breakfast.

The next litigated issue funded by SCOPE was a law suit against Nassau County; Chwick vs. Mulvey. The principle issue was whether Nassau County ordinance Title 69, Local Law, 5-2008, which bans the possession of ―deceptively colored‖ fire arms, is preempted by NYS Penal Law 400. The court ruled the following points in December of 2010. The ordinance imposed an ad-ditional requirement for lawful pos-session of a valid firearms license beyond the State’s requirements. If each of New York’s 62 counties en-acted ordinances that placed additional restrictions on licenses as the amended ordinance does, the uniformity in firearm licensing that the legislature intended would be destroyed. As such, no locality may supplant the licensing requirements provided by Penal Law 400. That means that it is illegal for the counties to place addi-tional restrictions on pistol permits! This is a major victory with potential to affect the firearms licensing procedures in many counties across New York State.

Currently SCOPE is contributing to a lawsuit brought against Westchester County officials. The suit was initiated by the Second Amendment Foundation and the legal team led by Alan Gura, the same team that won the DC vs. Heller and McDonald vs. Chicago decisions in the United States Supreme Count. Westchester County has been denying pistol permits on the grounds that the applicants could not show a need to protect themselves that is greater than the average person. The suit makes the points that the Supreme court’s ruling in DC vs. Heller guaranteed an individual right to keep and bear arms, and that the McDonald vs. Chicago decision made it clear the state and local governments as well as the Federal government were prohibited from infringing on that right. This suit is likely to take some time to resolve but we feel it will be an important step towards protecting the rights of New Yorkers.

These legal battles are an important addition to the legislative work that SCOPE does on behalf of our members. Litigation in New York’s courts is tedious, expensive, and not with out the risk of sometimes getting a bad precedent set. However we feel this work is necessary. That is why SCOPE maintains our Legal Defense Fund. Recent battles have depleted this fund. We have ongoing and future court actions that will likely cost us more than our reserves. That is why I am appealing to our member-ship to donate whatever you can to help us fight for you. As the old War-r en Zevon song goes, ―Send Lawyers Guns and Money‖
Send your donations to:

SCOPE Legal Defense Fund
12 Gateway Drive
Batavia NY 14020.

Stephen J. Aldstadt, President

Alan Gura on recent Gun Rights Litigation

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Manhattan D.A.'s department gets Big Bucks to campain against knives

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Manhattan DA video